Frustrations with doit yourself linkbuilding

Aritim · 07-04-2006, 02:06 AM

I know now why most people who have the budget outsource the linkbuilding. Yes, I discovered that it is a pain and utterly best left to the folks in India - but, I can't afford dropping $25,000 to those consultants (I managed to find one in India that can do it for a little over $1/link) over the course of 6 to 8 months in hopes that I will eventually catch up to my compeititors. (oh, and risk going back to square one once the next search engine updates occur).

I do have the time to spend 3-4 hours a day dedicated to solely link building and even this has become somewhat frustrating. Modeling my link building campaign against those of my compeition, I would need to generate about 20,000 links to be par with them as far as links is concerned. (This is for Yahoo and MSN optimization).

I know many link builders out there who make a living doing it are probably reluctant to share their views (based on past threads) on how to build links, but is it me or is it next to impossible to launch an one-man linkbuilding campaign that can add 50 to 75 links a day?? I'm not referring to free directory submissions or spammy link farms, but to related content sites.

I'm using automated form filling programs that sheds time off the submission process. Even still, the most time consuming part of this whole process seems be finding quality related content links and then getting the webmaster of the site to respond to my request (I only get about 10% approval rate on my submissions).

John Scott · 07-04-2006, 02:29 AM

I think you're taking the wrong approach to link building. Let the links come to you. Do whatever you do so well, so superbly, that people link to you.

Think of Google - they don't buy links or pay Indians to do link building. Focus on what you do, and do it so well that you are the leader.

sixty6 · 07-04-2006, 08:14 AM

Link Building in India is really outdated....

SEO is so last year, right now it is Advertising Revenue which more people are starting to realize is more important!

Aritim · 07-04-2006, 01:58 PM

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I think you're taking the wrong approach to link building. Let the links come to you. Do whatever you do so well, so superbly, that people link to you.

Think of Google - they don't buy links or pay Indians to do link building. Focus on what you do, and do it so well that you are the leader.

That sounds like that might take some time to try to get other sites to link to us. Yes, we are already doing that now. We get request from related sites that like our site request a link. This is a good long term approach, but how about within 6 to 8 months?

freetraff · 07-05-2006, 10:52 AM

It is not a problem to handle even 1000s of links daily with proper automated solutions. But from my experience - under 100 links per week is very safe. More is bad in the eyes of Google. They will surely doubt that this is natural.

MSN and Yahoo are rumored not to be so tricky about the number of links, but SEs can change their attitude in future.

BUT

Are you sure that all that 20,000 links of your competitor use proper anchor? Maybe you need to fight a much lower number of links, if you do proper anchoring. Simplified example: competitor can have 100 links but with different anchors, and out of that 100 only 5 links with 'super bla-bla' in the anchor text. This means that you need to have 5+ links, but exactly with 'super bla-bla' in anchor title.

PLUS

It is not only about the links (and surely proper marketing of your site), but also about onpage optimization. Your site title should have 'super bla-bla', meta with 'super bla-bla' (meta is not super important, still...), the copy on the pages should better have 'super bla-bla' and better in the first paragraph of the text. Also 'super bla-bla' would be ok in domain name and/or in the URLs of the site, like www.your-website.com/super-bla-bla-articles

King of the hill is an interesting game, but you have to play it creatively, sometimes with out of the box ideas.

P.S. And of course the remarks of other members are useful too. Make them rush to link to your site. Than you can even forget about possible problems with Google for too fast growth. If Google mods come to your site and see real value on it, they will not venture to penalize it.

Webfu · 07-06-2006, 07:21 PM

Sounds like you should keep plugging away yourself and hire some help at smaller blocks of links. When you outsource limit the project to 20 to 50 links then change your anchor text with each new project you do.

You know, just because your competitor has 8000 links doesn't mean thats what you need to rank higher than them. Build the best site you can with lots of information and build it so its easy to navigate. Kind of like what John was suggesting and don't give up on the link building, just set some smaller goals than 20,000 links. Start with blocks of 20 t0 50 a time, maybe 20 to 50 a month....