Links from Unique IP Ranges

John Scott · 10-16-2003, 10:12 AM

One theory I've had for a while is, for Google, the number of links is not so important as the number of unique IP's invovled in the linking.

I have tens of thousands of pages linking to this site. (IMR). But I don't expect a lot from those linking ranking-wise, because a lot of them are from the same IP, and the same domain.

1,890 from www.concrete-home.com
1,340 from www.suzuki-bikes.com
5,800 from www.pregnancylounge.com

ETC, ETC

I think I could get the same ranking from just 300 or so links - one or two link from each domain/ IP.

Just a theory. Anybody have thoughts on this?

Where is Bob Massa when you need him?

Pimpen 2010 · 10-16-2003, 10:49 AM

I agree with you. Pretty much its just the same link just on a different page. But Google won't be changing anything soon. Those links on other pages are more for hits IMO. I also think that Google should only take one link from each site and not take them all because that is what most people do. And a lot of times, it works!

I totally agree on this with you John

PhilC · 10-16-2003, 11:55 AM

Isn't that pretty much the same theory that I expounded a while back - that Google now discards many or most of the generic links - links that appear on all or most of a site's pages?

I'd like to think that Google gave an ever decreasing amount of weight to generic links, but it's just me thinking up something nice. They did write about the possibility of giving an ever decreasing amount of weight to repetitions of words on a page, though, so that eventually any more repetitions count for nothing.

But for links and PageRank, they've surely got to go for black or white - either they count a link or they don't.

Mel · 10-16-2003, 11:28 PM

Which may be why Google have patented the local rank algo, which in effect gives a boost to sites that have links from a variety of IP addresses, instead of just a fewm and discards all but one generic link.

Local rank also seems to mean that they could use all the old ranking algos and just add a bit for the local rank.

tigermann · 10-21-2003, 05:03 PM

Hi everyone,

JohnScott wrote,
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One theory I've had for a while is, for Google, the number of links is not so important as the number of unique IP's invovled in the linking.
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I am trying to vastly increase the inbound links to my site - and am thinking of signing up for a service such as the one available from
http://www.links4trade.com

But I guess from what John is saying this won't improve my link popularity with google because the exchange members are likely to share just a few IP addresses. Would be interested in anyone's comment about this ... or about links4trade.com.

Their blurb says that they are not a links farm ...
but the solution seems too easy!
Cost a bit of money but saves a lot of time if it could indeed increase my
PageRank ....

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I would be most interested to hear whether anyone has any experience of them or similar.

John Scott · 10-21-2003, 05:07 PM

If you're interested in buying PageRank, webuildpages.com is the place to go. They have PR8's, PR7, and PR9 - not to mention tons of lower PR sites.

They are the closest thing to SearchKing these days. In fact, I think they have more higher PR pages in their inventory than SK ever had.

tigermann · 10-21-2003, 05:29 PM

Not too sure whether you're serious there, John ... about webuildpages.com selling PageRank ..... but I am popping over to have a look at their site!

John Scott · 10-21-2003, 05:33 PM

Yes - I am serious. They have a very large network of sites. They don't advertise it openly, but they have contracts with several sites. (None of mine.) I think they will give you PR7 for $250 a month. PR8 was a bit more. They do most of the business via email - probably to avoid the same fate as SK.

www.digits.com - PR9

tigermann · 10-21-2003, 05:59 PM

Hmm! Re SearchKing v Google .... I couldn't agree with Google more! But looks like Google hands have been unjustly tied. Many of webuildpages.com clients' sites have little content (but many unrelated links) but have PRs of 7 and 8! What was the judge thinking! Google sliding downhill?

John Scott · 10-21-2003, 06:16 PM

I have no problem with what SK did. I just think SK should have done it more quietly.

tigermann · 10-21-2003, 06:43 PM

Assuming that Google was only trying to protect its business - its success being dependent on its ability to deliver relevant search results, then what SK did, could affect google's ability to do that ....

John Scott · 10-21-2003, 06:54 PM

Yeah - it's a tough issue. But then are you going to say that it's wrong to get any and all links which were not intentioned by the page owner to be "votes" for your site? That would mean that you'd have to go around and delete all forum signature links, and any other link which wasn't placed with the intention of being a "vote" for your page.

tigermann · 10-21-2003, 07:09 PM

That would be quite a job! Thanks for all the info and tips - I'm going to have to shoot off now, but I'll be back!
Bye.

PhilC · 10-22-2003, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigermann

Assuming that Google was only trying to protect its business - its success being dependent on its ability to deliver relevant search results, then what SK did, could affect google's ability to do that ....

And why might you be trying to vastly increase the number of links to your site?

bobking · 10-22-2003, 08:35 AM

From the first day I read the paper on local rank and saw the part about identifying "related" websites, I took that to mean IP's, DNS #'s, emails, and registration info.

John Scott · 10-22-2003, 08:40 AM

Thanks for finding us, Bob.

http://www.google.com/search?q=SEO+Information

This is one that I'm looking at. Phil doesn't purposely target that search term with H1 tags/page titles, etc; but he is still #1 for that search term based on a lot of links from just one site.

UKZJ007 · 10-22-2003, 10:03 AM

my uncle owns suzuki-bikes.com

John Scott · 10-22-2003, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fight-life

my uncle owns suzuki-bikes.com

That would mean you are my nephew.

UKZJ007 · 10-22-2003, 10:25 AM

huh?

I swear my uncle owns that site, i will give you the ad, maybe its a similar site to yours. but i know 100% he owns a suzuki-bikes buisness and i presumed that was his,

John Scott · 10-22-2003, 10:27 AM

Huh. I'd be interested in knowing which site it is. We own www.suzuki-bikes.com - another design by JuggoPop.