Can we take SEO as a long term career?

[vistadivine.com]

Ya really the Indian SEO companies now have started to dominate the market by the incoming of the compaines like ebrandz and convonix.com

Akash Kumar

[vistadivine.com]

Originally Posted by John Scott

In this case, you find people using Google Adwords and you call them up and tell them if they give you $10,000 down and $1,000 a month, they won't have to pay Google $10,000 every month in Adwords.

Ok now I have understood. Just one more question how much do you earn!

Akash

[digiweb]

John if I say SEO is mechanical on page keywords, tags, headlines, strong tags, getting rid of javascript, stylesheets and search engine submission,

and SEM backlinks, publishing articles, posting to forums, running forums, blogging, press releases (so getting backlinks and winning hearts and minds)

and PPC is buying backlinks

would you agree or not? You and I have always had different definitions so I'm trying to understand yours better.

[Johan007]

Originally Posted by GuyFromChicago

Accessibility for humans and accessibility for search engines are two different things.

Accessibility is for all and the standards used here tend to separate content from design and this helps SEO spiders. Because where non accessible sites have content blocked of to spiders because of a JavaScript or Flash Menu accessible sites must provide an alterative or replacement for non DOM screenreaders and users who use custom style sheets.

[GuyFromChicago]

Originally Posted by Johan007

Accessibility is for all and the standards used here tend to separate content from design and this helps SEO spiders. Because where non accessible sites have content blocked of to spiders because of a JavaScript or Flash Menu accessible sites must provide an alterative or replacement for non DOM screenreaders and users who use custom style sheets.

Not sure if you're disagreeing or agreeing, but I stand by original comment - Accessibility for humans and accessibility for search engines are two different things.

[SanDiegoSEO]

Am I the only one able to find a 6 figure income from doing SEO?? I've been doing it since about 2000 and have never had any problems finding work, and am currently shopping for a 3 bedroom house in San Diego soley off of my income from being an SEO at a marketing agency. SEO is going to be around for quite a while.

[vistadivine.com]

Do you own a SEO website, if you do then can post the URL please.

Akash

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSEO

Am I the only one able to find a 6 figure income from doing SEO?? I've been doing it since about 2000 and have never had any problems finding work, and am currently shopping for a 3 bedroom house in San Diego soley off of my income from being an SEO at a marketing agency. SEO is going to be around for quite a while.

No, you are not the only one. I'm sure there are hundreds of people who make so much from SEO as to make you look like a welfare case.

[SanDiegoSEO]

Originally Posted by John Scott

No, you are not the only one. I'm sure there are hundreds of people who make so much from SEO as to make you look like a welfare case.

If so then it's obvious that SEO can and is a viable long term career choice.

[Marketing Guy]

It would seem that this thread his grabbed the interest of other folks - Lisa at Bruce Clay quoted me (or rather, completely mis-quoted me) here.

Sorry Lisa, but I wasn't making any comments about the stability of SEO - just commenting on the viability of the business model behind *some* SEO agencies.

By all means feel free to quote the **** I say, but at least do it accurately please.

MG

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSEO

If so then it's obvious that SEO can and is a viable long term career choice.

L. Ron Hubbard made plenty of money as a charlatan, but I still wouldn't want that career.


SEO can make money, but if we are talking organic SEO, how many of those clients are really given value?

[genkied]

Originally Posted by Rajesh

I am very much confused about the future prospects of SEO.Please share your views on career prospects of SEO.

SEO makes my life better...it gives me a huge income compare when im still doing Web design...for me Web publishing is the future...

[A.N.Onym]

Though scams can use SEO to get rich, real people can really provide value to their clients and their clients and get more in return, not only in monetary sense, but also in a moral one.

C'mon, SEO is just one of the website aspects. Why fuss about it and claim that this is the only thing that made your day.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Marketing Guy

It would seem that this thread his grabbed the interest of other folks - Lisa at Bruce Clay quoted me (or rather, completely mis-quoted me) here.

Sorry Lisa, but I wasn't making any comments about the stability of SEO - just commenting on the viability of the business model behind *some* SEO agencies.

By all means feel free to quote the **** I say, but at least do it accurately please.

MG

From what I read of Lisa Barone, she is just Bruce Clay's troll. Her job is to say dumb stuff and get people to link to the blog. I guess it is working to a certain extent.

I like your response to the troll.

Originally Posted by Lisa Barone

This may come as a shock to some of you, but according to a thread over at v7n, SEO is just a hobby and not something you can have a sustainable future doing since there are so few jobs in the field.

Who said there were few jobs in the field? I turn down SEO work all the time, including one former client of Bruce Clay who felt he was "screwed over". (Yeah, small world.)

And I don't see that even being an issue here. This woman is obviously a newbie blogger, because if she had been around a while she would know that lying and blogging don't go together.

For the record, only one member comments that jobs are rare.

Originally Posted by Lisa Barone

Heh. Excuse me while I pick myself up off the ground.

You can pick yourself up off the floor, and shower even, but you're still working for an SEO firm, taking money from unwitting clients to deliver something that you don't control. At least used car salesmen have the cars that they sell; you can't say the same for the rankings that you sell.

Originally Posted by Lisa Barone

Interest in SEO and Internet marketing is going nowhere but up.

I wonder where Bruce found this moron. Here at V7N we are talking SEO as in pure SEO, and contrasting it to Internet marketing (which actually has immense value), and she treats the two as the same thing. Maybe she's new to the business?

Originally Posted by Lisa Barone

And with good reason, with more companies investing in SEO, the game is getting harder (and more fun). Every search engine update has the potential to change the rules completely. And that's what makes this job fun: relearning what you thought you already knew.

Fun? Game? Wow, this is the attitude they have when they take 5 figures off a client?

Originally Posted by Lisa Barone

I invite anyone who says SEO is "too simple" to come and spend a few days with us. You'll learn that it is anything but.

Actually, compared to many jobs, SEO is simple. 13 year olds are doing it, and insofar as they are doing it without relieving victims of $20,000, you might say that they are doing it more ethically.

Originally Posted by Lisa Barone

It appears from the thread that one member has based his entire impression of the SEO industry on one negative experience where an SEO firm charged him $3,000, guaranteed him top rankings, and then failed to deliver any real value.

Um, Lisa honey, I may have lost $3,000, but at least that guy offered a guarantee. Your clients are losing 5 figures, and the only person they can complain to is themselves, because according to your former client, you offered no guarantee.

And, honey bunch, my site gets more traffic than yours, so piss off. I don't see USA Today, WSJ and the Washington Post interviewing you, so until they do, bite me.

Damn, you would think that Bruce Clay would know better than to have his lackey pretty much beg to be attacked.

Oh well, I guess that's her job. To write dumb stuff in hopes of getting links.

[SanDiegoSEO]

Originally Posted by John Scott

SEO can make money, but if we are talking organic SEO, how many of those clients are really given value?

I would say our clients are being given great value for their SEO services. With a CPS (or CPL depending on client) running between 2% and 15% (on organic traffic only, PPC and affiliate traffic are generating 15% to 30% CPS), I would say they're getting quite a bit of value. And since we do include a 30 day out in all of our contracts, they're not required to stick with any of our services if they're not happy with any of them.

[charlesgan]

there is no guaranteee in seo.
thats the nightmare part. people scare to paid for thing they not certain with. unless you own few pr7+ website, all with your secrete seo technique,... then you can make a living like a pro.

well... dont be skeptic... many seo company runs even until now, and profit tons of money. works or not, there is no guarantee. but the technique is proven, links exchange will never die. i will still stick to this seo things.

indeed, when u already is a pro seo. you probably spend time to improve own website. and will profit even more ... compare to provide service to other.