Optimize for Inktomi

compar · 01-29-2004, 12:20 PM

There has been a lot of discussion about the posibility that Inktomi may start to be a viable alternative to Google. Yahoo has said that they are going to start using Inktomi's results sometime in the first quarter.

Here is an article specifically about How To Optimize For Inktomi In 2004 .

**John Scott** · 01-29-2004, 12:26 PM

Here's another article on Inktomi SEO.

Submitting to Inktomi is one thing I never do. They admitted to penalizing pages which were submitted via free submit, so I just wait to get spidered naturally.

kwvarga · 01-29-2004, 03:15 PM

whats different than optimizing for google?

**John Scott** · 01-29-2004, 03:40 PM

Google has never had a "keyword abusive page titles" penalty.

dave conz · 01-29-2004, 04:10 PM

Despite my wishful thinking about getting listed by magic, I'm getting slaughtered on Inktomi. Currently, if Google dies I die with them

I've gotta do something about this and spread my risk.

Can someone clarify the Pay For Inclusion option at Inktomi? For around $40 I can submit one URL and the recommendation seems to be to submit more pages from the same domain if I can afford it.

What sort of spidering/listing do you get for one URL? If I submit my home page, does this mean that only that specific index page gets listed and the 1000 other pages in the site stay just as invisible as they are now? Or will the rest of the site get some benefit?

For me, listing my home page on its own would be useless. I rely on each individual page perform on its own. Clearly I'm not about to fork out this sort of money for every single page. What's the story?

**John Scott** · 01-29-2004, 04:13 PM

Get your pages listed in DMOZ. Don't pay for inclusion - it's couterproductive.

dave conz · 01-29-2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Get your pages listed in DMOZ. Don't pay for inclusion - it's couterproductive.

Honestly, I'm trying! I first submitted to DMOZ almost 3 years ago. Then I followed someone's advice and resubmitted in October last year. Still no luck. I have now applied to be editor of the category - we'll see what happens.

Anyway, thanks for the advice about Inktomi. I'd still like to know how it works though.....

compar · 01-29-2004, 04:52 PM

Inktomi's bots have been very active lately. A lot of people think this is in preparation for inclusion by Yahoo. Their bots will crawl your entire site.

If you pay for submission it only includes one page. However most people spend most of their effort optimizing the home page in any case. If your home page is good it should lead naturally to the rest of your site.

The advantage of paid submission is that they guarentee to crawl your page every 48 hours. So it is useful if you are tweaking your site because you get the results in 2 or 3 days.

Inktomi does read and use meta tags and it is generally considered that they like shorter and more punchy text. Otherwise optimizing for Inktomi or Google is very similar as I understand it.

dave conz · 01-29-2004, 08:14 PM

Thanks - good info. My strategy is to target hundreds of search terms spread around my site - there's no way my home page or any single page could do the job. In fact I very rarely get anyone landing on my home page through a search result.

I can find myself on Inktomi if I do exact searches for unique phrases so I have been indexed, but I can't believe how poorly the site performs for decent keywords. I've got more #1 spots at Google than I can count but at Inktomi I'm not even in the game.

Oh well... work, wait and hope.

bob9999 · 02-04-2004, 05:35 PM

Because Inktomi uses the META keyword tag & I hate creating those tags, I wrote the following META keyword tag generator:

http://www.searchenginepromotionhelp.../processor.php

This will spider your page and create a keyword density report. Your can then select phrases in that report & use them to generate a META keyword tag ready to copy into your page.

This is free to use, please link in lieu of cash if you find it useful<g>.

Bob

Emancipator · 02-04-2004, 06:05 PM

I agree with compar... Inktomi is definately worth getting into. It is definately making a play to be the come back kid and regain its former glory.

Johan007 · 02-05-2004, 05:08 AM

You pay for 1 url - the rest of your pages do not get listed unless you pay for one each. Spidered every 48 hours. They run out in 1 year. You don’t get many visitors. It does not read and rank much of the text.

I have seen whole sites being spidered but I don’t know how to get this.

Optimisation:

As well as titles and meta I have found that it reads the bold/title text from referring pages and uses that in the same way google uses link text but has less weight.

Emancipator · 02-05-2004, 05:14 AM

If you optimize for Google and make use of Meta Tags you will perform well in MSN with little effort.

I, Brian · 02-05-2004, 09:33 AM

Inktomi seems to have a link pop also as well, but I'm not sure that Inktomi is all that keen on dynamic pages.

Emancipator · 02-05-2004, 09:48 AM

good question on dynamic. I ve never done much followup on how dynamic holds up for crawling on the MSN bot.

dave conz · 02-05-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Emancipator

If you optimize for Google and make use of Meta Tags you will perform well in MSN with little effort.

That's what I'd like to think but the reality is quite different. As far as Google is concerned I can do no wrong - top 10 spots are mine for the taking. Every new page I make gets me referrals from Google within a few weeks. Every day I get hundreds of Google referrals.

Over at MSN / Inktomi I get absolutely nothing. No results, absolutely no referrals whatsoever. Zip.

Johan007 · 02-05-2004, 04:51 PM

I am the same as dave.

Though 4 months ago msn.co.uk did only uk sites and I got 100's a dayfor my top pages. But it only lasted a week or two.