How to get out of Sandbox faster? - Page 3

Dulac · 11-17-2006, 02:07 AM

That's true, I rather not piss off google and I will get traffic from msn, yahoo, and world of mouth

. Google picked up my first big site in about a month, but I had lots of launch support from a game company and fansites.

Edit: Come to think about it my site is just 6 mo old now.

**Cricket** · 11-17-2006, 02:32 AM

Just playing the devil's advocate here for a moment, so don't jump down my throat for bringing this up.

There are many who believe that a lot of website owners use the sandbox as some sort of an excuse, when quite often the site in question is simply poorly optimized. Although you may trigger a filter if you get massive links coming into the site too quickly, instead of a more natural pace, more often than not, there are other issues that may need to be looked at long before automatically blaming the sandbox.

miskandar_es · 11-17-2006, 06:43 AM

Hi Ladan,

My website <mod edit> just already escape from Google Sandbox. It was sandboxed in the middle of August 2006. I have sent an article about this tips to some article directories. But I can share it now.

No webmaster will like the Google Sandbox. But, a smart webmaster will use the sandbox as an opportunity to build a website that Google simply cannot refuse.

If your website is sandboxed, here my tips to escape from there:
1. Change your website layout
2. Add your website content
3. Submit your articles (with your website name attached) into some article directories to increase link popularity

Google still ranks websites in much the same way that they had in the past. Websites are judged on the quality of their inbound links and the quality of their content. Google will continue to change how they evaluate inbound links and content, but the basic elements of their rankings will remain the same.

Some opinions say that it takes 6-12 months to escape from Google Sandbox, while another opinions say it takes only a few weeks to escape from Google’s sandbox. But, if you do nothing, your website may not be released from the Google Sandbox.

Finally, I want to say that the Google Sandbox is only intended to reduce search engine spam. It is not intended to hold people back from succeeding. Google is looking for websites that offer quality contents for us as Google’s customers. Google still relies on the natural voting system that was first used to establish pagerank. So, keep positive thinking !

I hope my <mod edit> can run smoothly, without sandbox accompany it.

vistadivine.com · 11-17-2006, 07:09 AM

Well it has nothing to do with the layout of the site.

Big Bill · 11-18-2006, 05:02 AM

Get a TV campaign. Seriously. If your site's famous you can bet Google will elevate it to the top of the serps because they know if people can't find it in Google then they'll go to MSN or Yahoo to find it, maybe like it and stay. If that happens, bang goes a lot of Google's future advertising revenue. It's sad, but offline advertising, the kind you need a big big budget for, can get you high "organic" serps. Which kind of takes way the point of SEO.

BB

vistadivine.com · 11-18-2006, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Bill

Get a TV campaign. Seriously. If your site's famous you can bet Google will elevate it to the top of the serps because they know if people can't find it in Google then they'll go to MSN or Yahoo to find it, maybe like it and stay. If that happens, bang goes a lot of Google's future advertising revenue. It's sad, but offline advertising, the kind you need a big big budget for, can get you high "organic" serps. Which kind of takes way the point of SEO.

BB

No you are wrong, this isn't what a big company would do, they aren't going to give you any ranks if you have TV ads, what a silly joke

If you already have the money to invest in TV campaigns then why you need rankings you would get much more visitors that way.

jeremy_chauvel · 11-18-2006, 11:06 AM

I ok with you Ladan, the only thing (maybe will seem stupid...) you don't have to find a trust link to get out of the sand box, it's all the time, for any situation. I mean it's a good advice, but it's an advice for everythings

jeremy
PS:thanks for your posts every one, very helpfull

mazter · 11-18-2006, 05:53 PM

Big Bill, is it just your hypothesis or did you try to give ads to TV and saw your website got rid of Sandbox effect? If it is just a thought, you are more like bachelor who is writing book about child care or marriage.

vistadivine.com · 11-18-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mazter

Big Bill, is it just your hypothesis or did you try to give ads to TV and saw your website got rid of Sandbox effect? If it is just a thought, you are more like bachelor who is writing book about child care or marriage.

People you have to understand that sandbox has nothing to do with the TV ads, I am really not getting how did Big Bill came to know about this so called idea.

aryo · 11-19-2006, 03:01 AM

probably no direct realtionship, but if people see the ads on tv, they might talk about it andput a link to it on their blog/site/whatever, meaning more IBLs.

jeremy_chauvel · 11-19-2006, 03:20 AM

I think Big Bill is not so wrong... in theory...
It should be an extreme but quite good marketing plan to do.
But I like to think Google do not react like that, I mean to be able to be faire about every one, they need to follow as strictly as they can their algorythm.
they should carry on to do things "automaticaly" and case by case .
So, they shouldn't match TV and internet directly (TV does not provide BL ...so PR

)
just my point of view
jeremy

vistadivine.com · 11-19-2006, 06:36 AM

Well if you agree with Big Bill that showing TV ads will get you out of sandbox then I have just one question for that if you already have that much money to do TV campaigns then why are you bothering about the traffic from the search engines.

jeremy_chauvel · 11-19-2006, 10:02 AM

No, I said in theory, I mean using all media to 'win' doesn't mater win what (according to every body) its to have anderstood how the marketing world work (my point of vew).
But I don't think so you red my post till the end, because I do not share his point of view for this point

google can't do that (I mean, he shouldn't)
But I appreciate your reaction ...
jeremy

vistadivine.com · 11-19-2006, 10:06 AM

So whats your overall say!

la cala · 11-26-2006, 01:22 PM

this thread has been really informative and has given me lots of ideas.
keep it going guys

NothingButNet · 11-26-2006, 07:42 PM

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Purchase an already existing domain if possible - ensuring it was not banned by search engines earlier

Good thought here but it should be mentioned that Google can detect when a site has changed ownership and then the site gets put in the sandbox anyway. Not saying this is what always happens, just saying we should be aware that it could happen.

Sideways · 11-27-2006, 12:23 AM

Could we assume by changing ownership, servers, ips, etc we might be able to get a blacklisted name off the blacklist ?

martyan · 11-27-2006, 12:44 AM

An incredibly absorbing thread!
If an existing domain looks more attractive in Google's eyes, how can I make sure that it's not or hasn't been banned?
And is it a fact that the change of owners is detected by Google or just a theory?

miskandar_es · 11-28-2006, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by martyan

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If an existing domain looks more attractive in Google's eyes, how can I make sure that it's not or hasn't been banned? ...

Hi Martyan,

There are 2 ways to know a website has been banned or not:
1. Check Google's search results
2. View the Google toolbar

Go to Google and enter the entire URL into Google's search box, e.g http://www.domain_name.com. If the result is: "Sorry, no information is available for the URL www.domain_name.com", this means that the URL is no longer in Google's database.

If you enter a brand new website into Google, you will always get this message until the website has been indexed. But in this case, our website has been banned by Google for some reason.

But no.2 (View Google Toolbar) is the simplest way. You should download Google Toolbar first from http://toolbar.google.com.

Once it's installed, simply visit the website you want. If the Google toolbar is completely gray (see the PageRank row), this mean the website has been banned by Google. Most SEOs called this "gray barred".

Hope it helps

MES - carcasherdotcom seocontest

**Cricket** · 11-28-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by miskandar_es

Once it's installed, simply visit the website you want. If the Google toolbar is completely gray (see the PageRank row), this mean the website has been banned by Google. Most SEOs called this "gray barred"

Are you certain about that? It has been quite some time since I have seen Google use the gray bar. I know of many banned sites that show a white bar and others which still show PR.