links need to be 1, good site for search engine submission

[avbanks]

I was wondering if anyone knows on average how many reciprical links are need to be number 1 or in top ten, if not how many did you need. and also you suggestions on a good search engine submission site.

[TheBrain]

If I were you I'd concentrate of creating a very resourceful website, with unique and innovative content, get some links from related sites, change that anchor text in the link every now and again, try to stay away from link farms (and never link back to such a site or other bad neigbours) and start a PPC campaign till the results of the hard work start to show. And if you mean serious business, buy Aaron Wall's SEO Book!

[Janet]

Originally Posted by avbanks

I was wondering if anyone knows on average how many reciprical links are need to be number 1 or in top ten, if not how many did you need. and also you suggestions on a good search engine submission site.

That is a very hard question to answer. First of all, it depends on the competition of the keywords you are targetting. Secondly, it is not how many *reciprocal links* you need, but how many total links you need to beat your competition. This includes reciprocal links, one way links, links in directories, forum sig links, article directory links, natural links from sites that just like what you are offering, etc. All those links combined with unique content on your site will help you get into the top 10. It just takes a lot of hard work and dedication. Good luck~

[hhheng]

Though number of backlinks is a factor in google algorithm, it's not the only one. It's not an equation: more backlinks = top ranking. Keywords, meta tags, page content, links etc, all have a role. An example is that statcounter has more backlinks than all other traffic stats companies, but search such keywords in google, you can't find statcounter in the top 1.

[bobchrist]

The inbound links have greater value than reciprocal link IMO.

[tdd1984]

Originally Posted by avbanks

I was wondering if anyone knows on average how many reciprical links are need to be number 1 or in top ten, if not how many did you need. and also you suggestions on a good search engine submission site.

I highly recommended staying awway from recip links, I Mean this is up to you, go for quality links, and if you have the cash i would suggest checking out 1 way link from john scotts contextual links these are quality relevant links, or pay for good directories.

http://contextual.v7n.com/

go there for pricing information on the contextual links

[Janet]

I highly recommended staying awway from recip links,

Why? If you exchange links with quality, on-topic sites, I see no reason why they shouldn't be a part of your link building strategy. I also receive a nice amount of targetted traffic from the sites I exchange links with.

[bobchrist]

I think tdd1984 is right on saying "staying awway from recip links". Looking on this article published in google official blog as below it can be considered as an upfront statement that google is discounting reciprocal link exchange;
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...opularity.html

[Janet]

Originally Posted by bobchrist

I think tdd1984 is right on saying "staying awway from recip links". Looking on this article published in google official blog as below it can be considered as an upfront statement that google is discounting reciprocal link exchange;
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...opularity.html

I don't see any mention of reciprocal linking in this particular article.

[GeoFan49]

Janet: I'd say that bobchrist and tdd1984 are right on!

Originally Posted by Janet

I don't see any mention of reciprocal linking in this particular article.

Check it again, building-link-based-popularity reading very carefully:

... recently, Google has tremendously refined its link-weighting algorithms. We have more people working on Google's link-weighting for quality control and to correct issues we find. So nowadays, undermining the PageRank algorithm is likely to result in the loss of the ability of link-selling sites to pass on reputation via links to other sites.

and

To sum up, even though improved algorithms have promoted a transition away from paid or exchanged links towards earned organic links, there still seems to be some confusion within the market about what the most effective link strategy is. So when taking advice from your SEO consultant, keep in mind that nowadays search engines reward sweat-of-the-brow work on content that bait natural links given by choice.

Basically... reading in between the lines:

... reciprocal links, three-way links, paid-links, and directories do not give you any Google back-links or pagerank anymore ...

Seems like Google's algorithms have downgraded directory websites and all those back-links, even if they still have good pagerank, so that all those "artificial" back-links do not count... If a website even looks like a directory or a link-farm, forget it, as far as getting any link juice with Google is concerned. You can forget about your reciprocal links, too. No link juice there anymore!

I've noticed with Google in the past month that many websites went from many dozens of backlinks to almost ZERO, if those back links were reciprocal or from directories, or wikis, or even blog comments and social bookmarking sites.

The social networking sites like FURL.net, and of course those new REL=NOFOLLOW external links from blogs, forums, and wikis, do not count anymore, either.

Google really has clamped down! Didn't all of you notice it?

This may create huge barriers of entry for new websites, small-business, and personal sites, but instead of a "sandbox" it seems freshness is rewarded, at least temporarily...

It now seems that just a few very good, "organic" links will serve you far better than dozens and dozens of "artificial" back-links, since about early-January-2007, as far as Google is concerned. Just look at all the websites with hundreds of back-links reported on Yahoo and MSN/Live and only a handful on Google.

Wake-up call: something has changed! Read the book: "Who Moved My Cheese?"

[Janet]

hmmm... directory submissions and link exchanges are a part of my link building strategy and google increased my pagerank to a PR5 this last update. So, I would say they are still counting these so-called artificial links.

[GeoFan49]

Originally Posted by Janet

hmmm... directory submissions and link exchanges are a part of my link building strategy and google increased my pagerank to a PR5 this last update. So, I would say they are still counting these so-called artificial links.

Matt Cutts and others have said, do not trust pagerank anymore...

http://andybeard.eu/2007/01/matt-cut...l-results.html

How are your google back-links doing?

[GeoFan49]

See also:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/algori...#comment-95773

[Janet]

My google backlinks have been steadily increasing each update and my serps have been increasing as well. My rankings in google are actually slightly better than in yahoo and msn. It is a first time for that. So, I guess I will just keep doing what I am doing since it seems to be working.

[GeoFan49]

I'm glad that you are the exception. Many other webmasters have been cursing Google for the past few weeks, in many places online. You must be doing something right, for now.

[searchbliss]

Originally Posted by avbanks

I was wondering if anyone knows on average how many reciprical links are need to be number 1 or in top ten, if not how many did you need. and also you suggestions on a good search engine submission site.

It all depends on the popularity of the search term(s). The more the better, but as far as "how many"? Who knows.

[SkGold]

Originally Posted by GeoFan49

Basically... reading in between the lines:
... reciprocal links, three-way links, paid-links, and directories do not give you any Google back-links or pagerank anymore ...

This is really depending from the way you doing these stuff.

Originally Posted by GeoFan49

This may create huge barriers of entry for new websites, small-business, and personal sites...

That was why good SEO professionals always needed.

Originally Posted by GeoFan49

It now seems that just a few very good, "organic" links will serve you far better than dozens and dozens of "artificial" back-links,

Not new - Google doing it for years. Right now maybe going to put a little more weight on it. Yahoo and MSN doing it as well, just a little slower.

[maldives]

Originally Posted by Janet

Why? If you exchange links with quality, on-topic sites, I see no reason why they shouldn't be a part of your link building strategy. I also receive a nice amount of targetted traffic from the sites I exchange links with.

It helps to some extent however, reciprocal links have less value + your giving way for your competitors! One way links are far more better!

[Janet]

Originally Posted by maldives

It helps to some extent however, reciprocal links have less value + your giving way for your competitors! One way links are far more better!

I don't exchange links with direct competitors, just sites that are related.

[sanderson]

Hey Janet,
My views do match with your thoughts. I am experiencing the same results with my link building strategies. So for now nothing has changed in a major way.