Best SEO Firms - Page 4

**John Scott** · 02-23-2004, 04:41 AM

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BTW, are you aware of any Client V SEO court actions?

Nope. Funny thing is, every single SEO client I have came to me after using other SEOs. Not one, not two. Every single client I have used another SEO before, was disappointed and came to me. Many came to me after using SEOs who are admins or moderators on other SEO forums.

These people paid out thousands of dollars which was lost. Gone forever, never to be seen again. Without a guarantee, the money is lost. That's why I support guarantees.

glengara · 02-23-2004, 05:33 AM

It's down to honesty really, your clients wouldn't have been any better-off with a guarantee that was designed to be un-claimable.
If you favour honest guarantees, should you not also warn about the spurious ones?

**John Scott** · 02-23-2004, 05:51 AM

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If you favour honest guarantees, should you not also warn about the spurious ones?

Sure. And people who know me are probably tired of me constantly harping on and on about SEOs who take peoples' money and don't do anything to earn it.

Emancipator · 02-23-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by glengara

It's down to honesty really, your clients wouldn't have been any better-off with a guarantee that was designed to be un-claimable.
If you favour honest guarantees, should you not also warn about the spurious ones?

I tend to agree with everything you said. I do not agree with the public mud slinging on forums without much basis or fact. I think if you have something to say you can say it better politely, then you can in throwing dirt and being a, for a lack of better word, a**hole.

The thing I like about this forum is 90% of the time people discuss great topics maturely and with devotion. This is one forum where the topic of conversation really has been great. I am sure I am not the only one who is quietly following this thread with interest.

EDIT: As a clarification point my comments are not directed at anyone on this forum, but more a general statement based on what I read on OTHER forums. Just wanted to CLEAR that one up.

**John Scott** · 02-23-2004, 04:20 PM

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I do not agree with the public mud slinging on forums without much basis or fact.

Do you see a lot of that?

I see people attacking some types of search engine optimization. But it usually is done for a reason. Contractors do not like unlicensed hacks because they usually do not do the job right. They are ignorant of building code and often leave out important procedures, such as seismic hardware or load bearing/load distributing headers and cripples.

Asking a contractor to treat these people with respect is rediculous.

It is the same with search engine optimization. I have respect for SEOs who do the job. I have respect for SEOs that get good rankings for their clients on search terms which drive a lot of relevant traffic.

The problem is, too many SEOs are not doing that. Anybody can put up a website claiming to be an SEO. Anybody can take your money and put the keywords in the page titles, in H1 tags, etc.

But most so-called SEOs do not do a job which satisfies their customers.

It is a terrible industry. Kind of like hosting. It's just too easy to pretend you're an SEO. But getting real rankings for really competitive keywords requires a lot of work. Link building, mainly.

So don't think I'm slinging mud. I'm just saying it like it is.

Emancipator · 02-23-2004, 04:21 PM

No I wasnt referring to anything you said. lol.. I should have been more specific. I was referring to another forum where it was all mud slinging and no common sense.

My bad if it was read in a different fashion

Brian · 02-23-2004, 04:58 PM

John, I'm tired of you constantly harping on and on about SEOs who take peoples' money and don't do anything to earn it.

hehe...

emg35 · 02-23-2004, 05:07 PM

Oh I don't know, it’s been a pretty interesting read so far. The only thing disappointing is I haven't got an answer to my question.

emg35

**John Scott** · 02-23-2004, 05:47 PM

The best SEO firm is yourself. Hiring an SEO can never compare to doing it yourself. Most SEOs are too damn lazy.

I'm not taking on any new clients right now, and I don't want to recommend any one SEO. But I can recommend a type of SEO. Type-wise, I'd recommend an SEO who has the resources to get a ton of links for you. Not a ton of links from one site. What you need is thousands of links from thousands of sites which do not reside on the same IP.

nuthin · 02-23-2004, 05:53 PM

do you have any sources that google's penalizing / not putting a certain % on links to sites that are on the same IP?
i have heard alot of conjecture about this but nothing really solid..

**John Scott** · 02-23-2004, 06:06 PM

www.bluefind.com had thousands of links from hundreds of sites we host, but no links from sites on different IPs. It still has quite a few links from pages with good pagerank, yet it's PR0.

Does that prove that links from the same IP are worthless? Not at all. But I personally believe that links from the same IP don't count for much.

http://www.internet-marketing-resear...topic3993.html

We have had a lot of experience with inter-IP linking, and from that experience, I'm thinking that they are discounted/devalued.

I always suspect that links in the lower part of a page - footer links - don't count for as much as links at the top of a page. That, too, is just a guess.

nuthin · 02-23-2004, 06:28 PM

for that site i get "Unable to connect to database. "
or is that example a bit old now?

**John Scott** · 02-23-2004, 06:33 PM

It's been like that for a while ever since we dropped the database out of it. Our new coder should be getting it up sometime this year.

Do a backlink check on it, though. Still shows no backlinks. Always has. Even when it had enough backlinks to be a PR7.