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03-11-2007, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SkGold
I still can’t get it. Why in almost every thread about linking and positioning in Serps people talking about PR?
High PR means almost nothing. - It doesn’t mean that SE trust this site.
- It could be faked easily.
- It doesn’t affect on positions in Serps.
So, why people still talking so much about PR? May be I don’t understand something? 
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google differentiate itself from other SE through its pagerank rating system. and it a fair and logical rating system. in fact, higher pr site are easily to get accepted, trusted by user as well. not just ranking/serp .. its reputation of the site that matter as well
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03-11-2007, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sadu
PR is not easily faked on a good site.
If your site is quality, then faking PR is a risky thing to do. The risk of being spam reported is pretty high.
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Originally Posted by AnaB
As far as faking PR goes, it doesn't go a long way. It can easily be checked..so, PR is still a semi-useful thing.
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Let’s put it in this way. Yes, 100% faked PR is easy to find and report.
But you may significaly increase your PR and the chances to find that you doing this are very small (if at all). If the site has several thousands of backlinks how easily you can check them. I don’t think you have automatic tools for this. I guess it could be done manually only and I believe to check manually several thousands of backlinks is not so easy.
John writes in his post:
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Originally Posted by John Scott
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I would say it in different way.
You better be looking at backlinks, instead of looking at PageRank.
Last edited by SkGold : 03-11-2007 at 03:57 AM.
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03-11-2007, 08:34 AM
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PR is mostly about linking...
Like it or not, no PR, no traffic... Im not talking about toolbar PR because thats always out of date. Try starting a new site, never promote it, and dont tell about about it and see if you ever get any traffic.
PR doesnt guarentee traffic or SERP's but it sure as hell helps...
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03-11-2007, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SkGold
You better be looking at backlinks, instead of looking at PageRank.
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I agree on that, when you look at a site´s backlinks, you will get a lot more information on its rankability than when you look at PR. If you own a directory, yeah ... PR is all you need to sell listings. But generally speaking and adressing this to the more advanced crowd, PR does have so little to do with how well your site is performing in the SERPs, you´re better off not even wasting your time looking at it IMHO.
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03-11-2007, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sitetutor
If you own a directory, yeah ... PR is all you need to sell listings.
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IMO especially if you want to place a link in some directory, don’t use PR as a decision factor.
With a little knowledge and some work you can easily make a directory that will show “Fake Green Bar 5-6”. I never tried it (maybe I should if people still so confident about PR  ), but probably it will take a month or two to proper mask this fake PR.
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03-11-2007, 08:21 PM
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In this PDF you can see how simple it is to calculate PR and actually
get good PR using only your own site and pages etc
you can do it within hours. Just dont get sucked into blacklisting with
bogus pages. Link the pages that have good material.
Anyways, just read it if you want to learn how. ( some other nice stuff too )
Check it out here:
http://www.seogift.com/seogifts/SEO_MadeEasy.pdf
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03-11-2007, 10:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by inkstar
In this PDF you can see how simple it is to calculate PR and actually
get good PR using only your own site and pages etc
you can do it within hours. Just dont get sucked into blacklisting with
bogus pages. Link the pages that have good material.
Anyways, just read it if you want to learn how. ( some other nice stuff too )
Check it out here:
http://www.seogift.com/seogifts/SEO_MadeEasy.pdf
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It's kinda hard to go over the whole book for that specific matter. If you know it well, could refer to a specific page please?
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03-11-2007, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasparoff
It's kinda hard to go over the whole book for that specific matter. If you know it well, could refer to a specific page please?
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Yes No prob. its at the bottom of page 82
How is Page Rank Calculated?
There after he starts talking about how to page rank yourself.
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03-11-2007, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by inkstar
In this PDF you can see how simple it is to calculate PR and actually get good PR using only your own site and pages etc
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You need to make your site navigation and internal linking the way that best convert your visitors to the buyers. To do it for archiving higher PR completely waste of time.
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03-11-2007, 11:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SkGold
You need to make your site navigation and internal linking the way that best convert your visitors to the buyers. To do it for archiving higher PR completely waste of time.
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Waste of time and not waste of time, credibility is not waste of time.
creating more lucritive exit is not waste of time, to be able to charge
more per ad space = not waste of time..
Please dont reply with feeling. Reply with facts of your OPINION.
thanks
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03-11-2007, 11:48 PM
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03-12-2007, 12:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by inkstar
Waste of time and not waste of time, credibility is not waste of time.
creating more lucritive exit is not waste of time, to be able to charge
more per ad space = not waste of time..
Please dont reply with feeling. Reply with facts of your OPINION.
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This thread is about PR and not about lucritive exit or ad space so please stay on the subject. I clearly mention my opinion that doing internal linking for archiving higher PR (and I am talking about PR only) completely waste of time.
If you need opinion on your PDF ebook, lucritive exit or ad space you may open a new thread.
Once again please don’t change the subject.
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03-12-2007, 01:53 AM
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I also thinks that PR has less value now. Why other's bothering themselves on how to get high PR, but the most important thing to get is high targeted traffic. They can get high PR if they have quality backlinks but high PR can't give them high traffic.
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03-13-2007, 09:07 AM
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but it provides trust and at least recognition to others that see even atleast a PR 1 - since you know the internet is cluttered with such trash
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03-14-2007, 01:13 AM
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PR could help you to get more traffics or visitors, that's 1 of the importance of PR.
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03-14-2007, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ron21
PR could help you to get more traffics or visitors, that's 1 of the importance of PR.
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Here you go.  Did you read the thread?
Myth… PR has nothing to do with traffic.
If you really want to understand what PR is about, start here.
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03-15-2007, 12:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by inkstar
Yes No prob. its at the bottom of page 82
How is Page Rank Calculated?
There after he starts talking about how to page rank yourself.
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That refers to how PageRank could be calculated, not how it is calculated.
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03-16-2007, 01:18 AM
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same here
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Originally Posted by SkGold
What this indication is telling you if it could be easily faked?
Yes, I agree that SEO is about the links but it is about the quality contextual anchor links, not the links from some PR directories. But take a look around and what you see? PR, PR, again PR  and again PR...
It is look like SEO is about PR.
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you know what, we have the same thinking, Is really SEO is for PR only?
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03-17-2007, 08:58 PM
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PR is one of the factors to determine your page ranking
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03-17-2007, 09:16 PM
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Why does PR exist if Google has no reason for it? Doesn't sound right to me.
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