Not what, but where

[Comenius]

Very good read. I've been amazed at how much solid link building can help, especially with the right keyword anchor text.

Makes me feel a little silly for not having realized it earlier!

[tdgac]

It could be because in the olden days people were busy linking their index pages all over the place, and mostly using the name of their domain in that link. Here in the what good new days (?) strategically keywording your links, along with deep page linking most certainly go a long way. Thanks to everyone for this discussion. Nice to know when one is on the right track especially if that track has been going on for a while now... LOL!

I'd also like to add that having the content to create contextual links is important. So I'll go with "Neo" lol and vote with the 90/10 formula. Plus if you like to write it's at least worth thinking what you write matters (even if one is a legend in one's own mind).

[tycoonjo]

Authority of the domain is verry IMPORTANT. Sure!
But good content is the best way to get a naturally built popularity. And popularity become Pagerank and good SEO rankings!

[richrf]

Hi,

I have been experimenting and observing lots of Google behavior while working on my primary site. It appears to me (purely conjecturing here), that Google is using much more information than it is letting on in its pubic statements, since some rankings I have observed are inexplicable using common knowledge. My SEO has been doing his own experimentation and is coming up with the same conclusions. I doubt any SEO professional would reveal additional information on this subject because it would be very proprietary and would be useful as an "edge".

But, again using pure speculation, Google has lots of information that can use today to "skew" results to its favor: e.g. Google Analytics, Adsense statistics, ISP reports, etc. Whether or not they have incorporated any additional stats into its algorithms, I cannot say for sure. Could they? Absolutely. Would they tell us if they did? I doubt it.

As for myself, I keep experimenting and observing and do not rely on conventional wisdom, since I know that it is unlikely to be true.

Rich

[Manish Pandey]

Originally Posted by maldives

Can you prove that? Getting relevent, unique content is vital for the success for better inexing of pages as well as rankings.

Unique content for the success for better indexing???

Well the only thing unique articles do are they are the best source for baiting links...you might get links if people liked your article and even few very high quality links from reputed people from your industry as many of us do get ... that adds domain power... that's natural way! the other way is you could buy links from authority domains...but that's a bit expensive way...and might put a flag against you if google finds your site...

[SkGold]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Very true and very relevant to SEO.

Here is my 2 cents.
I am doing some kind of test regarding this matter and according to the results that I got until now the “content is still a king”.

Relatively new website has good position in 3 main SEs for many keywords just because the daily posted content. No link building at all. Just at the beginning put 4 links to this website for making it indexed. Yes, RSS feed. Yes, on site optimization. Website is 4 month old.

Here are some keywords.

Key phrase – “Calgary News”
Position 9 in Google, 4 in MSN and 16 in Yahoo.

Key phrase – “global news Calgary”
Position 9 in Google, 4 in Yahoo and not on the first 2 pages in MSN.

Now I want to slow down the content posting to find out what is going to happen.

I agree about domain authority, however I also still believe in content.
I am not talking about good and unique content. I am talking about frequently updated content.

BTW “SEO Course” is not a competitive key phrase.

[SkGold]

Originally Posted by SkGold

Just at the beginning put 4 links to this website for making it indexed.

Oops I forgot, aproximantly a month ago I put a lot of links to this site but all of them from one domain.

[Manish Pandey]

Originally Posted by SkGold

Here is my 2 cents.
I am doing some kind of test regarding this matter and according to the results that I got until now the “content is still a king”.

Relatively new website has good position in 3 main SEs for many keywords just because the daily posted content. No link building at all. Just at the beginning put 4 links to this website for making it indexed. Yes, RSS feed. Yes, on site optimization. Website is 4 month old.

Here are some keywords.

Key phrase – “Calgary News”
Position 9 in Google, 4 in MSN and 16 in Yahoo.

Key phrase – “global news Calgary”
Position 9 in Google, 4 in Yahoo and not on the first 2 pages in MSN.

Now I want to slow down the content posting to find out what is going to happen.

I agree about domain authority, however I also still believe in content.
I am not talking about good and unique content. I am talking about frequently updated content.

BTW “SEO Course” is not a competitive key phrase.

Well for a website to get updated daily it must have a high PR...

[SkGold]

Originally Posted by Manish Pandey

Well for a website to get updated daily it must have a high PR...

I didn’t get it, what do you mean?

[Manish Pandey]

Originally Posted by SkGold

I didn’t get it, what do you mean?

Not all websites get updated daily! Google bots prioritize the websites with more the amount of links to a domain then more the bots will come to your website. A high PR website enjoys bots fetching their data daily and even hourly!

[Cornbread]

Yes If you write a crappy article and it gets put on CNN.com it will always rate higher that a great article on new or lowpopularsite.com, that is a no brainer. However, over the long term if CNN.com keeps putting up crappy articles and the lowpopularsite.com keeps putting up great articles, then people will read/visit/less to CNN and then start visiting and linking more and more to the low popular site. So, short term, content means very little, but if the site wants to maintain that authorty/trust in Google it had better keep it's content top notch. So in summation, if that authority site forgets that content is king they won't stay authority long, so if you are in this business for the long term, content is still king.

[Cornbread]

Originally Posted by Manish Pandey

Not all websites get updated daily! Google bots prioritize the websites with more the amount of links to a domain then more the bots will come to your website. A high PR website enjoys bots fetching their data daily and even hourly!

Not necessarily true, Starting Point Directory with a very high page rank of 8 was getting indexed much less often that v7n directory.

[SkGold]

Originally Posted by Manish Pandey

Not all websites get updated daily!

Well the same things you can tell about links and domain authority.

Originally Posted by Manish Pandey

Google bots prioritize the websites with more the amount of links to a domain then more the bots will come to your website. A high PR website enjoys bots fetching their data daily and even hourly!

To get the bots coming to your site hourly without any reason is only waste of traffic. The point is to invite the bots only when content has been updated. Here is coming sitemap. Regarding PR I have very strong opinion.

Now coming back to original purpose of this thread.
In my first post on this thread my point was to show that frequently updated content has no less SEO power than links or domain authority for non-competitive keywords like “SEO Course”. But if you want to achieve something with competitive keywords you will need everything - domain authority, links, frequently updated content, unique content and much, much more…

[Manish Pandey]

Originally Posted by Cornbread

Not necessarily true, Starting Point Directory with a very high page rank of 8 was getting indexed much less often that v7n directory.

Do you know the reason why v7n gets indexed highly? Or do you know why the Starting Point Directory is not indexed regularly??

Well we don't know! The thing is we only work on the basis of theories that we have in hand. A high PR means more number of links to your website. The more the times Google bot finds your website the more the time it visits your website. Not necessarily index it right away but puts in some kind of sequence to index at later times.

Well remember the article "How to get into Google's Index within 24-48 hours?" what is the driving point of it??

Take care

[Manish Pandey]

Well the same things you can tell about links and domain authority.

What does that mean. But to extent what i feel that you are saying that not all domain authority sites get updated daily. Is it so?? Well a domain having authority only means that it has acquired the Google's Trust of it being a domain which has very high amount of Trusted amount of links.

To get the bots coming to your site hourly without any reason is only waste of traffic. The point is to invite the bots only when content has been updated. Here is coming sitemap. Regarding PR I have very strong opinion.

Bringing bots upon users request...well i feel let the Google bots decide when it wants to visit my website and I don't interfere in its path.

Now coming back to original purpose of this thread.
In my first post on this thread my point was to show that frequently updated content has no less SEO power than links or domain authority for non-competitive keywords like “SEO Course”. But if you want to achieve something with competitive keywords you will need everything - domain authority, links, frequently updated content, unique content and much, much more…

Ok! So what you are saying is that you could rank to the top 10 for the term "britney spears naked" ofcourse the quotes removed which Peter achieved with your fairly new website without any link and domain authority just with content???

You would write a good article on britney spears being naked and it would rank just on the basis of the uniqueness of the article. Is it so friend??

Well think it this way Google is just a computer program to fetch data based on links. It finds one link,indexes it in its database then other then other and the cycle goes on.

The results that you see today is not the results of today. They are indexed a few days ago and show up you today. So, a website having authority status or the high Trust Rank is indexed regularly so they get their articles up their instantly within a day or two!

Thats why its said that if you want to get indexed in Google just get a few high PR links and you would be in their index instantly.

[SkGold]

Originally Posted by Manish Pandey

Ok! So what you are saying is that you could rank to the top 10 for the term "britney spears naked" ofcourse the quotes removed which Peter achieved with your fairly new website without any link and domain authority just with content???

You would write a good article on britney spears being naked and it would rank just on the basis of the uniqueness of the article. Is it so friend??

Not really. I mean that if you write a good articles (one is not enough) on “britney spears being naked” and post them daily on new website, than yes eventually you will be on the top 10. Of course the site has to be SEO friendly and if you implement some other SEO techniques it will speed up the process.

In other words, content will bring the links and domain authority, which mean that “content is still the king”.

[Manish Pandey]

Not just content but...unique content brings links and eventually after writing 100s of articles and getting 1000s of links you achieve domain authority...

And by the way how could some one be a king if it needs a support??

If content is King by itself it shouldn't worry about links and other factors and should conquer the SEO world by itself! Is that possible??

Where would you want to live, in a kingdom which is run by its own King or some one else??? Just thinking it politically!