Over 95% of pages in supplemental. What to do in this case?

sniperhiga · 04-30-2007, 10:09 AM

My friend website http://everynote.com online for 3 years and out of 18 000 pages indexed by google - 17 500 are supplemental. What to do in this case?

We moved content closer to homepage, created large ammount of pr4-6 links from related websites.
But it doesn't help.... what to do in this case?

zokiii · 04-30-2007, 10:19 AM

Check if pages have the same title or meta description.
Reorganize sidebars on pages, add some unique thing .

Check if all pages have some duplicated content..

I would say that the domain hasn't got enough strength and then google moved those pages to supplemental.

Try to get some big strong relevant links

sniperhiga · 04-30-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zokiii

I would say that the domain hasn't got enough strength and then google moved those pages to supplemental.

Try to get some big strong relevant links

We did. We build over 200 backlinks in past 3 month and over 20 of them was pr5-6. Also, site has a lot of .edu links from different resources because if you see... it has a lot of information about classical music and most visitors study or work in colleges. They link site from their college sites a lot.

In fact: Yahoo shows over 4000 backlinks for this domain.

theseokit · 04-30-2007, 10:46 AM

This could be do to several reasons, here are some things I would change.

Your URL Structure:
http://www.everynote.com/flute.music

Should be
http://www.everynote.com/flute-music/
or
http://www.everynote.com/flute_music/

But that has really nothing to do with the rank, unfortuently to go from a PR4 to a PR5 is a ton of hard work prolly close to 500 pr4 backlinks or 2500 pr2-3 backlinks.

They take a long time, but before you know it you will be their.

phlash2k1 · 04-30-2007, 11:14 AM

when you do a site:everynote.com they are not in the sups. When you do a site:www.everynote.com they are....thats a good start right there.

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Originally Posted by sniperhiga

My friend website http://everynote.com online for 3 years and out of 18 000 pages indexed by google - 17 500 are supplemental. What to do in this case?

We moved content closer to homepage, created large ammount of pr4-6 links from related websites.
But it doesn't help.... what to do in this case?

peter_d · 04-30-2007, 06:37 PM

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when you do a site:everynote.com they are not in the sups. When you do a site:www.everynote.com they are....thats a good start right there.

Well spotted.

The "domains" are possibly flagged as dupicate content. Google may see them as two seperate sites.

I'd consider using Webmaster Central to advise Google which domain is primary, and/or permanently direct all traffic to either the www or the /

**ToddW** · 05-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Read the advice given to you in other threads is a good start.

**Cricket** · 05-01-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddW

Read the advice given to you in other threads is a good start.

Yeah, I decided that I wasn't gonna play this game again.

**ToddW** · 05-01-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cricket

Yeah, I decided that I wasn't gonna play this game again.

But, but games are sooo much fun

Halfdeck · 05-01-2007, 08:32 PM

18 000 on a TBPR 4 site may just be too many pages. Either get more links or trim down.

**Cricket** · 05-01-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddW

But, but games are sooo much fun

Yeah, but I am getting too old to play this game.

Janna122003 · 05-02-2007, 12:44 AM

Try to use copyscape.com to check some duplicate content.

coolguy27 · 05-02-2007, 04:27 AM

I see 17,700 supplemental results....:-(
I think it's because of the layout of you page...duplicate contents...Redesign it maybe the best solution for your site....

you can also see view by using this link:

http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php

hope this help..

sniperhiga · 05-03-2007, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Janna122003

Try to use copyscape.com to check some duplicate content.

It is hard to avoid because site is php

sniperhiga · 05-03-2007, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by coolguy27

I see 17,700 supplemental results....:-(
I think it's because of the layout of you page...duplicate contents...Redesign it maybe the best solution for your site....

you can also see view by using this link:

http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php

hope this help..

Yep, but it is php site and it is hard to avoid duplicate content. But even 5 pages with the same content in supplemental and none of them in regular results.

temyong · 05-04-2007, 04:59 AM

Try to check this site http://www.seo4fun.com/notes/supplementals.html I hope this one helps.

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Originally Posted by sniperhiga

My friend website http://everynote.com online for 3 years and out of 18 000 pages indexed by google - 17 500 are supplemental. What to do in this case?

We moved content closer to homepage, created large ammount of pr4-6 links from related websites.
But it doesn't help.... what to do in this case?

Halfdeck · 05-04-2007, 06:43 AM

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Try to check this site

Jeez...Thanks for the mention, but I recommend you read my previous post instead because I wrote that page over 12 months ago when we knew alot less than we know now about the supplemental index.

Duplicate content is usually not the answer, especially if a site's IBLs are weak. Get links from trusted/authority sites or at least from a page that's in the main index. High TBPR link trade / paid links will help somewhat but not as much as an organic link that carries full link weight as well as signals of trust.

I have two sites, one is a TBPR 4 with 100% organic links and another TBPR 4 with 99.9% artificial. The site with organic links are close to fully indexed while the other one the link profile is so mistrusted the PR is discounted and many pages are refusing to stick.

Even with good IBLs pointing at your site, if you have thousands of pages you are going to thin out the inbound PageRank and some deep pages will go supplemental. In that case you cut off link juice from unimportant pages and redirect it to pages you want to rank. I know, Adam Lasnik recently said in an interview PageRank flow is not overly important but he's contradicting what Matt Cutts previously said about combatting supplemental results in an effort to discourage people from nofollowing every internal/outbound link:

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PageRank is a much larger factor. So without knowing your site, I’d look at trying to make sure that your site is using your PageRank well. A tree structure with a certain fanout at each level is usually a good way of doing it.

As I said a TBPR 4 will have a struggle supporting 17,800 pages especially if your IBLs are obviously artificial.

I mean.. look at this:

www. manhattanservice.com - ManhattanService - Website promotion and search engine optimization

And this:

http:// everynote.intissite.com/

Spammy footer links: "italian kitchen", "spain sim-card", "mattress"....

I don't have time to go through all your links but the one's I see look pretty lame.

Halfdeck · 05-04-2007, 08:43 AM

...and pages like this:

http:// everynote.com/NYTimes.htm

Your site belongs in the supplemental index.