keywords in the last 25 words

[alfie]

I know it's more about linking and social networking, but I'm a little afraid some on-page optimization can still hurt rankings more than improve them.

I have a really big problem that my tests didn't solve at all. Keywords on the bottom of the page (last 25 words)?

There are two opposite philosophies

• (Web Ceo & others) - keywords in the last 25 words are absolutely necessary, Google put emphasis on the first and last 25 words
  
• Keywords in the last 25 words bring lesser prominence and can bring penalties because Google sees them as a form keyword stuffing (and I swear I'm not doing that )

I'm going really mad about this , please help!

[John Scott]

I don't see much in the way of penalties unless you've got obnoxious keyword density.

[NothingButNet]

Well, I doubt that Google will really penalize that, unless your overall keyword density is too high.

[amitbhalla]

Should not to be high by the way what you guys use keywords density for a page and keyword density for a article.....

[Forsh]

Is the 25 before/after keyword thing a good thing to consider for on-page SEO? Or is it unproven myth? Just wondering as I had not considered the value of the last 25 words before.

[TopShelfToys]

Originally Posted by Forsh

Is the 25 before/after keyword thing a good thing to consider for on-page SEO? Or is it unproven myth? Just wondering as I had not considered the value of the last 25 words before.

Mostly speculation from what I've seen. But not a huge deal erring on the side of precaution and utilizing first 25 if possible. If anyone has done any personal tests on this let me know =)

[WebGeek182]

Originally Posted by alfie

Keywords on the bottom of the page (last 25 words)?

This has little to do with your rankings. Remember that you need to write for people, not search engines. Ultimately it's people that will link to your site if they like it, and that will get you rankings.

Use your keywords naturally. Those recommendations from Web CEO and other software demonstrate how foolish it can be to rely "SEO software". Often using those programs does more harm than good because they get you so focused on on-page optimization, when you need to focus on off-page optimization - link development. The real SEO work involves figuring out what will get people and links to your site, and then doing it.

[janhvizdak]

WebGeek182 is right.

This topic was started by person who saw web ceo and doesn't know anything about real SEO. I am sure you (alfie) are awaiting top rankings for chosen phrases soon. Naturally web ceo gave you the optimisation report which you trust, but you will find that software useless.

Who cares about keyword presence (25 last words)? Try to write natural content... I am sure that natural content can't be characterized by keyword presence at all. Or do you think that putting 25 relatively important keywords may bring you better rankings? Then go ahead and put "important keywords: k1, k2, k3, k4, ... , k25" at the bottom of each of your pages. Sooner or later someone will report you to Google for using irrelevant content and you'll be penalized.

web ceo is for those who fight for low-competitve phrases (max. 10k competitors), but it doesn't work for phrases with huge competitors area.

[TopShelfToys]

Originally Posted by janhvizdak

WebGeek182 is right.
web ceo is for those who fight for low-competitve phrases (max. 10k competitors), but it doesn't work for phrases with huge competitors area.

I don't think I believe this...call me stubborn I guess~ Given time, resources, and patience, and I think really anything can pan out~

[janhvizdak]

Originally Posted by TopShelfToys

I don't think I believe this...call me stubborn I guess~ Given time, resources, and patience, and I think really anything can pan out~

Since you don't believe me, feel free to mention your phrases (really competitve ones) which web ceo helped you to rank high with. Also mention your traffic from such phrases. It will (will not) be interesting reading am sure .

[TopShelfToys]

Originally Posted by janhvizdak

Since you don't believe me, feel free to mention your phrases (really competitve ones) which web ceo helped you to rank high with. Also mention your traffic from such phrases. It will (will not) be interesting reading am sure .

Actually I haven't said that I have had results. We don't even have our site loaded (waiting on a shopping cart.) Maybe I'm just too optimistic. Oh well, guess will be an expensive time consuming learning experience

[janhvizdak]

Originally Posted by TopShelfToys

Actually I haven't said that I have had results. We don't even have our site loaded (waiting on a shopping cart.) Maybe I'm just too optimistic. Oh well, guess will be an expensive time consuming learning experience

That's true it will be time consuming experience . I tried web ceo myself so that's why I can tell you if it's worth it.

It's very usual scenario... People who are new to SEO try some applications but without any success. So they get disappointed, try another software and it's never-ending circle.

What I learnt is that I must do everything manually without any software.

[alfie]

This topic was started by person who saw web ceo and doesn't know anything about real SEO. I am sure you (alfie) are awaiting top rankings for chosen phrases soon. Naturally web ceo gave you the optimisation report which you trust, but you will find that software useless.

Thank you for your trust
I don't use Web CEO, and personally think it's the worst program in the world, but I have it in my office so I just know it recommends to put keyword in the last 25 words. Using lynx you can simply guess if the content reflects your topic all over the page, without chasing density or things like that...

I just wanted to know if it's true that Google gives more value to first/last 25 words, and that's all...the right answer was simply: I DON'T KNOW.

I am sure you (alfie) are awaiting top rankings for chosen phrases soon.

You're wrong, I already reached my top rankings without using Web CEO and my hand is the only dedicated software that I need, I'm SO sorry.

[janhvizdak]

Originally Posted by alfie

Thank you for your trust
I don't use Web CEO, and personally think it's the worst program in the world, but I have it in my office so I just know it recommends to put keyword in the last 25 words. Using lynx you can simply guess if the content reflects your topic all over the page, without chasing density or things like that...

I just wanted to know if it's true that Google gives more value to first/last 25 words, and that's all...the right answer was simply: I DON'T KNOW.


You're wrong, I already reached my top rankings without using Web CEO and my hand is the only dedicated software that I need, I'm SO sorry.

Sorry, but I don't believe you. If you're skilled at SEO, then you even wouldn't try any questionable software. I know it because many SEO newbies are using such/similar applications like web ceo. Moreover if your rankings are top, then you may mention them as well as traffic which they dring to u. I think you wouldn't ask anybody about "last 25 words" if you were skilled enough.

Don't take my words badly.

[alfie]

I don't think this is of any particular public interest , so I just hope the following will be enough

even wouldn't try any questionable software.

you're right...in fact I use Web CEO for only SERP reports...and I once sinned just trying the "optimization report"

Moreover if your rankings are top, then you may mention them as well as traffic which they dring to u.

I really can't, they're my client's sites, not my personal blog!

I think you wouldn't ask anybody about "last 25 words" if you were skilled enough.

Content is king on the web, curiosity is king in SEO. My question was JUST stupid...

Don't take my words badly.

I don't