1000 Directory backlinks weigh down 10 quality backlinks?

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have a time? promote your site!

[tpraja]

According to me 10 quality and related backlinks is better than 1000 non related backlinks. Good seo services prefer this things

[hermione_dies]

For the most part links won't really hurt you - but it's always best to avoid sites with possible malware as google may flag you for that - and even then it's probably not likely (doesn't make sense for Google to penalize sites that were just being linked to)

[fromthe5]

no no and no! For example, you have 1000 backlincs with pr=0, and 10 backlinks with pr=6... understand? Google will seen at pr 6 and didnt seen at pr 0

I'm sorry. I can't quite understand your point. Can you clarify?

[Logblug]

If your website have backlinks from sites with pr=0, that mean that your website going on long way with pr~0.

Google have more trust for sites that have hight pr. so, this site give you some backlinks... that means that your site get some trust from google too, because google love this site. =)

PS: sory for my bad english =`(

[fromthe5]

I believe that you are talking about the amount of PR passed to your site. Even if what you see on the little green bar is PR0 you are still getting a small amount of PR passed to your page. That's just the way it works. A PR0 usually isn't a real 0. If it was a .99 it would probably still show on the toolbar as a 0. Also a higher PR doesn't necessarily equal more traffic.

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Originally Posted by fromthe5

I believe that you are talking about the amount of PR passed to your site. Even if what you see on the little green bar is PR0 you are still getting a small amount of PR passed to your page. That's just the way it works. A PR0 usually isn't a real 0. If it was a .99 it would probably still show on the toolbar as a 0. Also a higher PR doesn't necessarily equal more traffic.

yes, i talk about this


You sure in this? Try buy some links with hight pr on your website ( but dontoveruse), and look results at pr after some time.

[SEOWebHelp]

Originally Posted by SEOptimizer

If I had 1000 free directories and 10 quality backlinks, would those 1000 free directory backlinks weigh me down or help?

Now this is my first post, and actually the only reason I registered to this forum is because I read so much crap here on SEO that you members had a false notion of. I'm not sure if some of you read contridicting stories on SEO, got the information from another uninformed colleague, or had a professor in college that was your mentor, but there are many issues with what you guys are telling SEOptimizer.

I'm not here to start a flaming war or cause personal stress in any of your lives. I would like to simply set you all straight and get you guys headed in the right direction. SEO is difficult and many people think it's easy and they can just read a book or two, throw out the word SERP and they are ready to start optimizing for a client.

Now to answer your inquiry SEOptimizer. 1000 free directory backlinks that can't be found on relevant web sites or pages to your web site will actually harm you. Google for one passes your positive rating through the links on to the site you link to. If you wouldn't vouch for a site your linking to you would put nofollow in your link. Well, the same prinicipal works with the 1000 free links can and do send their negativeness (should they have a negative relevance)over to you.

fromthe5 was on point with everything he said, but unless I misunderstood his answer on free backlinks, he was mistaken about this. His other answers were precise and clear and it would seem he knows what he's talking about in this industry.

Seriously though people. If you are unsure of the answer don't just post something because you read it off a pamphlet at a SEO conference. Ask an expert.

[fromthe5]

fromthe5 was on point with everything he said, but unless I misunderstood his answer on free backlinks, he was mistaken about this.

I take "free backlinks" to mean the general directories one can submit to or have the drudge job outsourced. Even though word on the street is that they have been devalued I think that Google just trimmed out some of the garbage. They still work just fine. Also thanks for the compliment and welcome to the forum.

Seriously though people. If you are unsure of the answer don't just post something because you read it off a pamphlet at a SEO conference.

I think that the number of people who post here who have even heard of an SEO conference is very small. There are some good and dedicated folks here but the majority are spammers just trying to accrue forum backlinks. At least in the marketing/SEO section. That and the posts they make are full of incorrect advice. Pity that is. Lots of drivebys too. There needs to be more policing of this section of the forum.

[Lorel]

Hi All,

This is my first post but I've been reading this forum for awhile.

Re submitting to directories, I haven't seen one that has any PR on their link pages for a long time, unless they have the page in frames or nofollow on the links or some other means to hide the link, so basing your decision on PR is a moot point unless you can find someone who will link to your site from a page that Google hasn't tagged as a directory.

Also I agree with others who have stated that getting 1,000 links all at once could cause you a penalty, UNLESS you've been getting 1,000 links every month or so already (it all depends on your past linking behavior). Google puts a filter on sites that IT thinks are manipulating their engine.

[SEOWebHelp]

Originally Posted by Lorel

Also I agree with others who have stated that getting 1,000 links all at once could cause you a penalty, UNLESS you've been getting 1,000 links every month or so already (it all depends on your past linking behavior). Google puts a filter on sites that IT thinks are manipulating their engine.

I left all of this in quotes for a reason. The last part "Google puts a filter on sites that IT thinks are manipulating their engine" is true in a way. But, the more detailed approach is this - Some search engines have placed an algortihm in their code that focuses on sites of this nature. There are negative percentages and some SEO programmers may never see the direct results but they are there. Brief example of how it works - The scale of it is in the range of -0.00032 (don't quote this number, just used for example) and so it would take many, many links to equal one point so you would see it on your analytical software. But, should you have 40,000 links all pushing through a negative rating to your site, you will see how your clients site could be penalized.

[juliensimon]

Originally Posted by Lorel

Also I agree with others who have stated that getting 1,000 links all at once could cause you a penalty, UNLESS you've been getting 1,000 links every month or so already (it all depends on your past linking behavior). Google puts a filter on sites that IT thinks are manipulating their engine.

I wanted to add that most of the people doing SEO think wayyy too small. If you think 1000 links all at once can hurt your site, you are way to low.
First, links pointing to you sites cannot hurt your rankings. You don't control them. If so, I could just submit my biggest competitors to a thousand directories and get if flagged.

Also, what happens when Google released Google Chrome for example? They got thousands and thousands of links at once. Didn't hurt them.

Also, look at my avatar. Underneath it, you will see a link to my latest post in my blog. Lots of people have these. I don't have too many posts yet but take someone like Cricket who I think have over 18,000 posts. Whenever she posts a new article, the gets 18,000 links to her new article at once.

Whatever number of links you think can hurt your website, improve your rankings, multiply it by 1 000 and you may be closer to the reality.

[SEOWebHelp]

Originally Posted by juliensimon

First, links pointing to you sites cannot hurt your rankings. You don't control them. If so, I could just submit my biggest competitors to a thousand directories and get if flagged.

They have algorithms or flags for this too. Not sure which search engines and how they use it or even if it's in day to day production.

Sometimes the search engines want some secrets out and others left internal. That's one of the reasons they write web developer tutorials, but if they told everyone out there every detail, we would all do exactly the same thing and everyone would be tied for the number 1 spot.

[fromthe5]

Re submitting to directories, I haven't seen one that has any PR on their link pages for a long time

I haven't seen an inner page in a directory that has any PR showing and I could care less. I'm not in those to accrue PR. There's entirely too much obsession with PR around here anyway. I outrank sites in several competitive arenas that have lots higher PR than the sites I work with. Spend your time doing something more constructive.

Also I agree with others who have stated that getting 1,000 links all at once could cause you a penalty

If you're talking about 1000 directory submissions then there will not be a problem. As I mentioned earlier in this post (Ahem!) The general directories can take a long time to get your link posted so you wouldn't have a problem even if the threshold for the filter was set to 1000. Truth be told I've never run across anybody the has incurred that kind of penalty. The only other way to get that many links in real short order is to buy them. All I can say about that is: Proceed at your own risk.

[palme]

if u have 1000 free directory backlink, that's 2 case
if you have feature backlink, this means your linked place in one category with may be 50 subcategory then 1000 free director backlink is equal 50000 backlink and this means your link may be appear in the search engines with about 50000 case, this is certainly OK!!!!

[RussAdams]

The anchor text and relevance of the site is the most important. If the anchor text of the 10 quality site is "more information" it won't help nearly ad much as "anchor text".

[guruananth]

quality will ecide by google so dont worry abt that

[brokencode]

Well, the quantity and quality argument. The best thing is if you can get both. Yesy it does take time to get them.

[fromthe5]

You sure in this?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by fromthe5

Yes.

i check it, this dispute can`t be forever.