Do links hurt when they are new?

mxracer170 · 08-31-2007, 10:12 AM

It seems like when I'm trying to raise a key word in the SERPs and get new links with that word or phrase as the anchor my rankings go down while the links are new. Do new links actually hurt you for a little while until they grow older?

x3mario · 08-31-2007, 01:08 PM

The link can hurt your site if it is outbound link.

aira · 08-31-2007, 01:25 PM

Google also looks at the age of a site and/or links... maybe that's another reason

x3mario · 09-01-2007, 02:35 PM

Try to avoid giving away links. It does really hurt your site.

Trapped · 09-01-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mxracer170

It seems like when I'm trying to raise a key word in the SERPs and get new links with that word or phrase as the anchor my rankings go down while the links are new. Do new links actually hurt you for a little while until they grow older?

No not really, unless the site where you are getting link back is from a bad neighborhood. This usually happens every time you get a new link, its sort of Google dance, on certain sites i have notice my site to get in top 10 (first page of the serps in google) when i add new links to the site, than it goes back to its position. No need to worry, unless your site gets back to its original position (or slightly improves).

coolguy27 · 09-01-2007, 05:05 PM

I Agree with them, stop linking to bad neighborhood and linking outbound links...

If you don't do this your site is just fine....

adalmi · 09-02-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mxracer170

It seems like when I'm trying to raise a key word in the SERPs and get new links with that word or phrase as the anchor my rankings go down while the links are new. Do new links actually hurt you for a little while until they grow older?

The answers is YES.
When you get new links SE's will put your site to back for a while until they familiarize with the link and take it as valid and trustworthy.

Also having lots of links with the same name is bad.

This will look like SE bombing, and is not accepted by Google.

007c · 09-02-2007, 01:18 PM

Sometimes directories can be looked as spam sites. When you see a website that has over ten pages of links for one category stay clear, even if it wouldn't hurt your ranking it certainly won't help much imo.

mxracer170 · 09-02-2007, 06:30 PM

Well good news. The keyword I was trying to optimize was at #10 in google for about a month. Then when I got these new links I slipped back to #20. I didn't spend much time at the #20 spot, now I'm #8. YAY! It did seem like the new links initially hurt me for a few days though. I'm going to try this with another phrase and see if the same thing happens.

Steven_D · 09-03-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by adalmi

The answers is YES.
When you get new links SE's will put your site to back for a while until they familiarize with the link and take it as valid and trustworthy.

Also having lots of links with the same name is bad.

This will look like SE bombing, and is not accepted by Google.

Sometimes you have to apply a little logic to this type of thing right.

Lets say you write on forums, and you have been writing on the same 5 forums for 10 years, and between all the forums you have 1,500,000 posts.

Then you get your own website, woo hoo aye, finially, your excited, you cant wait to get some traffic.

You go to your forums and change your site to

My New Site, Please visit it.

Google crawls the forums and POW your black listed for googlebombing.

do you really expect me to believe that

zagu060807 · 09-03-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mxracer170

It seems like when I'm trying to raise a key word in the SERPs and get new links with that word or phrase as the anchor my rankings go down while the links are new. Do new links actually hurt you for a little while until they grow older?

Depends on the site where you have linked to. Beware of bad neighbors

mxracer170 · 09-03-2007, 02:00 PM

I'm only discussing INBOUND links here.

zagu060807 · 09-04-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mxracer170

I'm only discussing INBOUND links here.

Yeah, I mean is if you have a link from a bad neighborhood, it might hurt your rankings.

qbert_seo · 09-04-2007, 02:21 PM

Google Bowling - look it up. Generally one-way links will not ht your site. Google emphatically denies that they can. Still there is evidence to the contrary. Search for Google Bowling and let me know what you think.

Web Gazelle · 09-04-2007, 03:51 PM

I don't think inbound links can hurt your site, new or not new. I think a new link may not have as much value. It also can take a while to crawl and give weight to a new inbound link.

qbert_seo · 09-05-2007, 05:33 AM

I agree with your last statements, but as for the first: do you think that "Google Bowling" is a myth then?

Steven_D · 09-05-2007, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by qbert_seo

do you think that "Google Bowling" is a myth then?

I find it hard to believe that Googlebot would be able to tell the difference between a site wide link, and a signature post in a forum.

And i wont accept, but googlebot indexes all the pages, and if the link is on every single one, then it is a site wide link.

What about sites that block pages with robots.txt or their meta tags, sites that are predominantly hidden like mine 18 public pages over 117 hidden pages.

The post i read said

'Certain scoundrels began thinking: "If buying site-wide text link ads en masse will get my site into hot water with Google, why not buy them for my competitor's site instead? Then just sit back and wait for Google to solve my number one business headache... the competition." (Cue evil laughter sound track.)'

did this tool smoke crack when he was a baby, why would you BUY site wide links for your competitors, most people have 3-10 sites, they would just place links for all their competitors on all their sites at the bottom where virtually no one would look.

Anyways, all the info on google bowling is from like 2005 early 2006, and there was never a difinitave answer about weather it existed or not.

Lets not forget that google is worth like 126 billion dollars. You dont make a company of that value by having holes in your systems that allow exploits like google bowling, and you defiantly dont make a company that big by telling everyone how you did it, and what algorithms you use lol, thats stupid.

So who would know if google bowling exists, google, and who WAS saying it existed, everyone but google, freakn speculation, lets lay something out for you,

You own a sports company, you have a website, getting it listed is easy, so you do it yourself, how much money do these 'SEO Experts' make? Nothing

Now, if you hear that you could get your site knocked off by your competition, what do you do, call up mr SEO and enlist his help, now how much money is he making? Freakn heaps.

Dont believe anything that an SEO expert says, SEO is easy enough for a 6year old to work out, and almost 99% of the people you are competing against are complete muppets, and if your not competing with muppets, your in a decent sector or your company is a decent size and picking correct keywords no longer applies, now you are in a marketing battle.

The scare tactic mentioned above is almost identical to the same scare tactic used by George Bush, make everyone feel scared by raising and re raising the security level, and they will think that he is doing something other than completely doing us over.

SEO = Sucking Everyone Off. Want a high ranking, do it yourself so it gets done right.

EDIT: More importantly you are the one running an SEO company, you should be telling us, not asking our opinion, either you know or you dont. Mr

"At Agilis Marketing, we install a robust analytics program on all our clients’ websites to ensure that the impact of all advertising efforts are measured." With a picture of google analytics as the program you install on everyones PC lol.

and lets not forget this

"At Agilis Marketing we value the privacy of our clients and will never post a list of them on our website for the world to see. Privacy is important to us and nobody needs to know how our clients achieve such stellar returns on their marketing investments."

I have never seen such a load of bollocks lol

qbert_seo · 09-05-2007, 06:10 AM

I do not have the time at the moment to reply to each of your arguments but I will point out one that is completely false:

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Lets not forget that google is worth like 126 billion dollars. You dont make a company of that value by having holes in your systems that allow exploits like google bowling, and you defiantly dont make a company that big by telling everyone how you did it, and what algorithms you use lol, thats stupid.

The size of a company is a moot point, besides they DO tell everyone how many parts of their algorithm work. In fact they patent many of their ideas. Go to the U.S. Patent and trademark office office website and search for patents assigned to Google. They go into specific detail on how their systems work.

Steven_D · 09-05-2007, 06:14 AM

and your sig cracks me up lol

"<a href=http://www.agilismarketing.com>Search Engine Marketing Services</a>"

Try using the URL tags instead

[URL equals sign DOMAIN]Anchor Text[/URL]

Auctually, i think you have to wait till you have made 50 posts to get URLs get enabled in your signature, i remember seeing it from the Welcome PM message from John.

qbert_seo · 09-05-2007, 06:28 AM

What does my sig have to do with the topic at hand? Let's not turn this thread into a personal battle and instead discuss the topic at hand. Fair enough?

I make no claims of knowing everything. I hope to gain knowledge in addition to lending mine to others.

I would love to hear a v7N mentor's opinion on all this.