Would No Page Rank Score Affect You?

peter_d · 09-03-2007, 10:51 PM

Say Google didn't display toolbar PageRank. Google decides to keep the PR score for internal use only, and not make it visible to the public.

How would that affect your day to day SEO-ing?

shahbaz419 · 09-03-2007, 10:57 PM

If this is the case ...then it would be difficult to campare b/w high and low PR sites ..though Alexa rank is available still it will create a great problem... Google has updated backlinks and we hope for the PR update soon...

**ToddW** · 09-03-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by peter_d

Say Google didn't display toolbar PageRank. Google decides to keep the PR score for internal use only, and not make it visible to the public.

How would that affect your day to day SEO-ing?

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It would affect services such as TLA though! They would need to re-do their scoring system and start using a different price matrix.

bond007 · 09-05-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by peter_d

Say Google didn't display toolbar PageRank. Google decides to keep the PR score for internal use only, and not make it visible to the public.

How would that affect your day to day SEO-ing?

It will affect primary the "PR industry" (like sites selling high PR links). Secondly it will make it harder to know what are the best places from which you should try to receive backlinks.

eXweso · 09-06-2007, 12:08 AM

I won't be able to sell links on my new website

Anyways its good if they stop it since it is going to stop a lot of link spamming!

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Jenifer · 09-06-2007, 12:36 AM

Then first of all, no one will be able to know the quality of his own site. Right???

marthrock · 09-06-2007, 02:16 PM

I think it would affect the slip stream affect of the cottage industry of PR link selling, but other than that, most of us would continue to buld our sites and consult our clients the same way we always have. I don't think it would change much.

coolguy27 · 09-06-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by peter_d

Say Google didn't display toolbar PageRank. Google decides to keep the PR score for internal use only, and not make it visible to the public.

How would that affect your day to day SEO-ing?

I think not. Just imagine during the days when this green thing is not displayed....

Cornbread · 09-06-2007, 02:34 PM

No not at all, I would uninstall the toolbar and keep on trying to improve my web site. I use traffic as my barometer for success anyway.

zokiii · 09-06-2007, 04:25 PM

I can live without Toolbar PR very easily.

I don't depend on TBPR. I use it only for checking is some site banned on google...

Nothing else

**chicgeek** · 09-06-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by peter_d

Say Google didn't display toolbar PageRank. Google decides to keep the PR score for internal use only, and not make it visible to the public.

How would that affect your day to day SEO-ing?

I would cry tears of joy and close a couple of subforums.

John Scott · 09-07-2007, 05:47 AM

I don't check PR. I don't have the toolbar installed. I check links, on Yahoo mostly.

Trapped · 09-07-2007, 05:54 AM

It would not affect me personally since i don't rely on PR for SEO, mainly i check SERPs (i don't even check backlilnks, as long as i rank on the SERPs). But it will affect others, not in seo, but in business with the text link sales, but i am sure those guys are smart and won't let this business go down, they will just find a new way to give a value to their site for selling text links (they = the text link sellers).

Trapped · 09-07-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chicgeek

I would cry tears of joy and close a couple of subforums.

You can close those subforums even now. What stops you, apparently you don't like those sub forums, why wait for Google not to display the PageRank, just close them now and sleep tight.

**Rankenstein** · 09-07-2007, 06:54 AM

It would affect my ability to judge the likelihood of success with very-high-popularity keywords/phrases - apart from, that, I think it would be a good idea - there's too much prattle about PR, it's only an indicator of potential.

garysims · 09-07-2007, 06:58 AM

For me it would be a problem because we have no way of judging the importance, traffic or influence of page/site.

John Scott is right that inbound links are a good measure, but PR is only a reflection of that. If PR disappears we will turn to other measures like pure inbound links (without knowing if those links themselves come from important sites). The problem is that Google have disabled link discovery too, which is why John says he uses Yahoo. The problem is that Yahoo sucks in all types of links (including nofollow, I am right?).

We can't use SERPs because each search phrase returns different results and there are trillions of search combinations. Because a site is #1 for the term "sony handycam with green beans" I learn nothing.

The bottom line is that Google will leave us high and dry in terms of understanding how THEY think about our sites.

What will happen is that Google will be saying, "hey, this is our search engine and what you see is what you get, like it or lump it." Now they are allowed to say that but that isn't how they started in the search business, THEY started the whole pagerank thing, not us, THEY published the algorithms, THEY created the monster. Now THEY have to be responsible and live with it.

Google have a social contract with us (I don't know if social contract is the right term but I can't think of a better one right now, may be understanding or agreement would be better). Google became popular because the page rank algorithm works. They can't just break that agreement/understanding with us now.

Creating a system, watching the world follow that system, watching a whole economy grow from that system and then shut it all down, isn't in line with "do no evil."

Just my

worth.

Gary

eXweso · 09-07-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by garysims

For me it would be a problem because we have no way of judging the importance, traffic or influence of page/site.

Gary

Do you think the calculations are accurate enough to rank a website? I don't think so. Yahoo is good since it is updated fast and shows all links which is good. If someone links to your websites using a no follow tag, your website does have an influence

garysims · 09-08-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by eXweso

Do you think the calculations are accurate enough to rank a website? I don't think so. Yahoo is good since it is updated fast and shows all links which is good. If someone links to your websites using a no follow tag, your website does have an influence

Let us start with no system is perfect, we have to take that for granted... But Yahoo don't offer any kind of ranking for a page, all they offer is inbound link analysis. What good does that do? If I have submitted my blog to 100 directories I have 100 in bound links. But if my blog appears on the first page of CNN, I have 1 link. But which will lead to the blog being read more?

The whole basis of page rank is to try and estimate the chances of finding a page based on simply browsing of the net. Of course there is a bit of a Heisenberg problem with this as having more important links leads to high SERPs, which means that people have a higher chance of finding your page (in Google), which means that the Page Rank is of course self influencing and therefore departs from its original goals, but I digress.

In my own personal comparison of Yahoo results with Google results I have always found that Yahoo's results are less accurate and obviously popular sites (and I mean by traffic, not by linkage) are lower down their list. Of course as I mentioned above, some of those sites might be popular because of their Google SERPs and therefore the whole search engine world disappears in a buff of fuzzy recursive logic

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Gary

samlauren1 · 09-27-2007, 03:39 AM

No. It do'nt affect you bt your site would'nt be visible by any1 by google search engine.. thats why u need good SEO for your site.