Links with "nofollow" are included as backlinks?

poksa · 12-19-2007, 09:51 AM

anyone explain this...

respectively for Google, Yahoo, Msn, ask.com...

x3mario · 12-19-2007, 10:12 AM

Yes, it is considered as backlinks. The reason why some sites uses nofollow tags especially in blogs is just because they prevent spamming. Another one reason is they prevent the link juice to pass to other site.

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So, even links from no follow coded pages can appear in Yahoo’s backlink index, as those links are actually being followed by search engines. I’ll also go out on a limb to say that the aspect of the no follow link is a bit outdated when it comes to search indexing & ranking, as even if those links don’t pack “ranking juice”, they will help to define you and your site’s:

* online reputation
* profiles of users who visit your site and sites they have visited in the past
* clustering of similar pages and content
* and identifying links to pages which may have not had SEO in mind when obtaining those links or contributing to such discussions.

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/s...ow-links/2788/

dee_el07 · 12-19-2007, 11:04 AM

Yes it is indeed consider as backlinks in some SE's particularly on Yahoo.. They follow the said page/links even if it's coded as no-follow..

Janna122003 · 12-19-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by poksa

anyone explain this...

respectively for Google, Yahoo, Msn, ask.com...

Yes, links are still counted as backlinks I have already experience this linking to site with nofollow and notice that the links are still counted as backlink but it doesn't pass PR link juice.

I think also that even the site uses nofollow the anchor text still help even just a little.

x3mario · 12-19-2007, 11:08 AM

Sorry I forgot to explain this wether the 4 major SE's considered this as backlinks.

So here is the additional explaination from wiki.

Google takes "nofollow" literally and does not "follow" the link at all. That is supposedly their official statement, but experiments conducted by SEOs show conflicting results. They show instead that Google does follow the link, but does not index the linked-to page, unless it was in Google's index already for other reasons (such as other, non-nofollow links that point to the page). Links with "nofollow" are included in the backlinks reporting data at Google's Webmaster Central.

Yahoo "follows it", but excludes it from their ranking calculation.

MSN Search respects "nofollow" as regards not counting the link in their ranking, but it is not proven whether or not MSN follows the link.

Ask.com does not use the attribute for anything.

corlock · 12-19-2007, 11:09 AM

I don't have the absolute idea about this backlinks that has nofollow attribute issue. All I know is that, backlinks that has nofollow in Google is still read by bots but do not follow the page through it and also counts it as a backlink but not considered in link building and in PR building.

as for Yahoo and MSN which I really have no idea about how they treat nofollow, as usual, I read some reference about them for the benefit of letting my self know about it of course and to share it here...MSN, does the same as Google.That's all. As for Yahoo, it doesn't follow the nofollow attribute, so it totally means that you can spam comments for Yahoo.

For more understanding about these things like how they index, see backlinks, and effect on rankings, here's the link...

http://www.macalua.com/2006/11/03/no...doesnt-follow/

potchie · 12-19-2007, 11:21 AM

guys, if ""Links with "nofollow" are included as backlinks"" then why wiki external link with has nofollow attribute cant have backlinkS?

dee_el07 · 12-19-2007, 11:23 AM

IMO.. all no-follow links are counted as backlinks weather in google, yahoo, MSN and ask.. Now, it depends on how SE's calculate its value.. Just like the diagram shows above..

Janna122003 · 12-19-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by potchie

guys, if ""Links with "nofollow" are included as backlinks"" then why wiki external link with has nofollow attribute cant have backlinkS?

Well it depends also on a site that they would follow. Not all site that is dofollow are counted as backlinks same as site that uses nofollow. It's still up to google whether they will count the links as backlinks or not. But the main purpose of nofollow is not to pass Pr link Juice.

temyong · 12-19-2007, 11:28 AM

Yup, I think they are include as back links but in Google they are less value.

x3mario · 12-19-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by potchie

guys, if ""Links with "nofollow" are included as backlinks"" then why wiki external link with has nofollow attribute cant have backlinkS?

Do you have any proof that wiki don't have backlinks for their external link with nofollow tag?

aira · 12-19-2007, 11:35 AM

As i understand the concept of the no follow attribute, they are considered as backlinks.. though they are not counted for PR calculation by Google

poksa · 12-19-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by x3mario

Sorry I forgot to explain this wether the 4 major SE's considered this as backlinks.

So here is the additional explaination from wiki.

Google takes "nofollow" literally and does not "follow" the link at all. That is supposedly their official statement, but experiments conducted by SEOs show conflicting results. They show instead that Google does follow the link, but does not index the linked-to page, unless it was in Google's index already for other reasons (such as other, non-nofollow links that point to the page). Links with "nofollow" are included in the backlinks reporting data at Google's Webmaster Central.

Yahoo "follows it", but excludes it from their ranking calculation.

MSN Search respects "nofollow" as regards not counting the link in their ranking, but it is not proven whether or not MSN follows the link.

Ask.com does not use the attribute for anything.

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Originally Posted by dee_el07

IMO.. all no-follow links are counted as backlinks weather in google, yahoo, MSN and ask.. Now, it depends on how SE's calculate its value.. Just like the diagram shows above..

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Originally Posted by temyong

Yup, I think they are include as back links but in Google they are less value.

Nice reference X3mario...

Most of Search Engines nofollow counts as Back links but not on Ask.com SE...

"Temyong" what do you mean they are less value, would you mean less value in PR?

temyong · 12-19-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by poksa

"Temyong" what do you mean they are less value, would you mean less value in PR?

What do you think?

dee_el07 · 12-19-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by poksa

Most of Search Engines nofollow counts as Back links but not on Ask.com SE...

What do you mean "but not on Ask.com SE..." ? I'm confused because its clear to see in the diagram above that they do index, follow, show the existence of the link and SERP for anchor text? But still you say not on ASK.com?

poksa · 12-19-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by temyong

What do you think?

Don't answer me another question....

..

As far as I know PR value calculates on the relevancy of the links. correct me if I'm wrong... But your the one said they are less value on Google right?

Kryvast · 12-19-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by poksa

Don't answer me another question....

..

As far as I know PR value calculates on the relevancy of the links. correct me if I'm wrong... But your the one said they are less value on Google right?

AFAIK

Backlink - A link at another site, leading to your site which can pass pr and relevance.

I think less according to temyong means it doesn't inhibit the full definition of backlink (well If I defined it correctly of course). It follows the link but don't count vote for pr nor relevance.

poksa · 12-19-2007, 12:50 PM

Ok let's wait for Temyongs answer...

tdd1984 · 12-19-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by poksa

anyone explain this...

respectively for Google, Yahoo, Msn, ask.com...

there included they show up on your backlink profile, but you are not credited for them.

coolguy27 · 12-19-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by x3mario

Sorry I forgot to explain this wether the 4 major SE's considered this as backlinks.

So here is the additional explaination from wiki.

Google takes "nofollow" literally and does not "follow" the link at all. That is supposedly their official statement, but experiments conducted by SEOs show conflicting results. They show instead that Google does follow the link, but does not index the linked-to page, unless it was in Google's index already for other reasons (such as other, non-nofollow links that point to the page). Links with "nofollow" are included in the backlinks reporting data at Google's Webmaster Central.

Yahoo "follows it", but excludes it from their ranking calculation.

MSN Search respects "nofollow" as regards not counting the link in their ranking, but it is not proven whether or not MSN follows the link.

Ask.com does not use the attribute for anything.

Agree, x3mario good research (that' what you call quality post and a good researcher...)

"A good researcher is a good contributor someday!"

Additional reference links about nofollow:

http://www.linkrain.com/articles/nof...xed-by-google/
http://www.selfseo.com/story-18952.php
http://www.googlewatchdog.info/2007/...-nofollow.html
http://seoblackhat.com/2007/05/08/no...verifys-links/
http://www.linkbuildingblog.com/2007...ollow_lin.html...
http://blog.linkworth.com/more-hipoc...ogle-nofollow/