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Old 08-18-2004, 12:50 AM   #41 (permalink)
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See what I was saying? ^

http://www.v7n.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13369

He used this same exact phrase spamming other forums, and there was nothing or no one to admire in the thread he used the phrase in. Pure spam.


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See what I was saying? ^

http://www.v7n.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13369

He used this same exact phrase spamming other forums, and there was nothing or no one to admire in the thread he used the phrase in. Pure spam.

Yeah, he's a spammer.
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Old 10-20-2004, 09:14 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Good SEO that makes sense.

As a first post, I'd like to offer some additional things that I have found make a huge difference:

1) Watch where you agree to reciprocate links with. Some are bad neighborhoods (link farms) and if you link to them, you could be in trouble.

2) Get links only from directories or relevant sites. It is pointless to get a link to a bridal page from a site about IT services. Relevance however can be defined by other links that are on that page. So looking at something like About, you can find many topics... choose the right topic.

3) Don't bother so much with links from sites where even the home page has got a lousy GPR. It is generally accepted that a PR of under 4 will not do much good... at least with Google. Don't necessarily discount pages that don't have PR yet though because it might be new and G has been very reluctant lately to update PR. Look at the page pointing to it and if it is 4 or higher, you will probably be inheiriting some PR at the next update.

4) Look at the number of links from any page you want a link on. It isn't always best to be amongs the masses. If a page has a PR5 and gives off 150 links, that PR will be divided amongst those links. It would be better to take the link on a PR4 page where there are only 3 other links.

5) Develop a site map, especially if your site is large. Link to the site map from the home page so that the SE bots can hit that page and virtually explode in links. If you bury your pages deep, the SE will be less likely to index them.

6) Change your pages regularly, even if it's nothing more than adding a period or a comma somewhere. It is then recognized as an updated page and the assumption is that the page is more relevant than one that is a couple of years old. Plus, the more often you change your site, the more often the bots will come back and index you. I have G bots hitting every day or more. Others I know don't see it but once every couple of weeks.

7) Keep JS off the page as much as possible. Write it off page and then call it. Bots avoid JS and if there is too much of it, they can get lost or just give up. This also applies to JS or Flash hyperlinks. If you must use these to create your links for some visual effect, then at least create text hyperlinks down at the bottom.

If you hear of some cool new secret to bump your site up the index, be careful that it isn't considered spam. Check it out with SEO boards and you will very likely determine that it is a no-no. Cloaking, hiding text, creating many sites only for the purpose of cross linking, etc will all get you into trouble.

9) Don't reciprocate links with every tweedledum that comes along. First, it should be relevant.

Second, if you get one of those form emails that tries to look like they are not ("I visited your site <link> and found it to be a wonderful resources..."). These are shortcut people, will probably post thousands of irrelevant links that are created by some program and never have much for PR. I've even found that many of these show you the links page but it's not connected to anything anywhere. Getting link here is useless because consumers and the SE will never find them. It's a sham to effectively get a one way link to their site by tricking you into believing that they are giving you something in return.
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Old 10-20-2004, 11:21 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Several good points there, Papadoc.

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Old 10-26-2004, 06:14 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Good SEO that makes sense.

As a first post, I'd like to offer some additional things that I have found make a huge difference:

1) Watch where you agree to reciprocate links with. Some are bad neighborhoods (link farms) and if you link to them, you could be in trouble.

2) Get links only from directories or relevant sites. It is pointless to get a link to a bridal page from a site about IT services. Relevance however can be defined by other links that are on that page. So looking at something like About, you can find many topics... choose the right topic.

3) Don't bother so much with links from sites where even the home page has got a lousy GPR. It is generally accepted that a PR of under 4 will not do much good... at least with Google. Don't necessarily discount pages that don't have PR yet though because it might be new and G has been very reluctant lately to update PR. Look at the page pointing to it and if it is 4 or higher, you will probably be inheiriting some PR at the next update.

4) Look at the number of links from any page you want a link on. It isn't always best to be amongs the masses. If a page has a PR5 and gives off 150 links, that PR will be divided amongst those links. It would be better to take the link on a PR4 page where there are only 3 other links.

5) Develop a site map, especially if your site is large. Link to the site map from the home page so that the SE bots can hit that page and virtually explode in links. If you bury your pages deep, the SE will be less likely to index them.

6) Change your pages regularly, even if it's nothing more than adding a period or a comma somewhere. It is then recognized as an updated page and the assumption is that the page is more relevant than one that is a couple of years old. Plus, the more often you change your site, the more often the bots will come back and index you. I have G bots hitting every day or more. Others I know don't see it but once every couple of weeks.

7) Keep JS off the page as much as possible. Write it off page and then call it. Bots avoid JS and if there is too much of it, they can get lost or just give up. This also applies to JS or Flash hyperlinks. If you must use these to create your links for some visual effect, then at least create text hyperlinks down at the bottom.

If you hear of some cool new secret to bump your site up the index, be careful that it isn't considered spam. Check it out with SEO boards and you will very likely determine that it is a no-no. Cloaking, hiding text, creating many sites only for the purpose of cross linking, etc will all get you into trouble.

9) Don't reciprocate links with every tweedledum that comes along. First, it should be relevant.

Second, if you get one of those form emails that tries to look like they are not ("I visited your site <link> and found it to be a wonderful resources..."). These are shortcut people, will probably post thousands of irrelevant links that are created by some program and never have much for PR. I've even found that many of these show you the links page but it's not connected to anything anywhere. Getting link here is useless because consumers and the SE will never find them. It's a sham to effectively get a one way link to their site by tricking you into believing that they are giving you something in return.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<,If you hear of some cool new secret to bump your site up the index, be careful that it isn't considered spam. Check it out with SEO boards and you will very likely determine that it is a no-no. Cloaking, hiding text, creating many sites only for the purpose of cross linking, etc will all get you into trouble<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Can you please list some of these SEO boards?
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Old 10-26-2004, 07:36 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Posting links here would be considered in bad taste. However, if you are still interested, PM me and I will drop you some links. Don't discount this board however. There's lots of good stuff going on here as well.
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Sorry, did not think of it. I agree, it's a great site.
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Does it apply to file names? ex: wireless_service.jpg should be wireless-service.jpg.
does SE look at picture names at all?

>Folder and File Names:
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>Bad:

>www.v7inc.com/tutorial/cpanel_xv2_POP.htm

>This URL may include the word "cpanel" and "POP", but it is seperated by an >underscore instead of a hyphen, Google cannot parse those keywords.

>The search: site:www.v7inc.com cpanel pop

>Doesn't return that page.

>Instead, use the hyphen:

>http://www.v7inc.com/flash-tutorials.php
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Old 10-27-2004, 08:02 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Papadoc - this is an SEO board. In fact, it's one of the better SEO forums on the Internet. I don't know if you're referring to JW's board, DH's board or SEW, but I've been on all the seo forums out there and this one is different. Mainly in that we don't focus on ineffective page-elements SEO and in that we do not encourage people posting baseless speculation as fact. Either way, the quality of discussion here is much better than most other SEO forums.
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Interesting fact is that SEO has nothing to do with Google!

Maybe it was helpful before but now key factor is amount of clicks in desired category and clicks in Google in general.

Proper SEO for a new site will bring it in first hundred in Google, not the first place.

Anyway SEO still works for some other engines, but popularity of Google is overwhelming.
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Old 11-05-2004, 04:29 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Maybe it was helpful before but now key factor is amount of clicks in desired category and clicks in Google in general.
Is that so? Interesting.

Do you have any evidence to backup this statement?
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Old 11-06-2004, 04:39 AM   #54 (permalink)
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For the most part, you don't see traching URL's in the SERPs. But on occasion Google's SERPs have tracking in them, and this gives rise to such rumours.
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Thanks JohnScott, I've been looking for something like this.

Do you have any recommendations as alternative to paid directory services, or would it be best cough up the cash to submit my site to one?
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If you're serious about promoting your site, paying for some links is unavoidable. Diurectory links are often the best bet because they are a one-time fee.
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Well, some are... and then there are those mangy creatures over at Yahoo who want you to cough up blood every year.
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Do you know where I can find directory that allow free submission?
Every new directory charge $20-40

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Old 11-09-2004, 09:44 AM   #59 (permalink)
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JohnScott,

you once mentioned a fee based service (USD100) which offered submission to some 30 or so smaller directories.

can you remind me?

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I think that was INDN submission.
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