Google Page Ranking is valid or not??

MichelRobinson2 · 01-31-2008, 04:00 AM

Hi!!

Clear me.....
Is Google's Page Rank Calculation Technique is universally accepted??? Why the website owners always measures his site ranking with Google??

Tripta_Kneoteric · 01-31-2008, 06:15 AM

Because Google does a better job at evaluating the user' requirements.

Needless to say that it identifies the relevancy of the websites more precisely.

And because everybody wants to to be judged reasonably, we accept that Google gives a perfect platform.

~DaRk-EyE~ · 01-31-2008, 07:37 AM

It is universally accepted, but many many people tend to disregard PageRank nowadays...
PR is link analysis algorithm with the purpose of measuring the relative importance of websites...
Even though PR is disregarded by some people and they say that it has nothing to do with SERP, I believe that it still have an effect even in a slightest form...

bogs · 01-31-2008, 06:33 PM

For google only.. since they are the only one who have this kind of feature.. besides a site with PR really makes a difference..

arturobraganza · 01-31-2008, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichelRobinson2

Hi!!

Clear me.....
Is Google's Page Rank Calculation Technique is universally accepted??? Why the website owners always measures his site ranking with Google??

Accepted but why worry about pagerank if you have the traffic?

**Rankenstein** · 02-01-2008, 05:18 AM

I think it is as good a way as any other to measure a site's importance.

pinkfluffybunny · 02-01-2008, 07:30 AM

I stopped looking at PR years ago.

Here's the deal, the engines make money by getting people to use their engine. They want people to find what they are looking for.

All you have to do is give people what they are looking for and give the engine a little to let them know you have it.

I have many clients with a low PR that dominate the engines in their area.

The "cat shit pie theory" is always a good place to start for noob seo guys. What's the cat shit pie theory?

A long time ago if you typed "cat shit pie" in google the number one site was a horrible example of seo, no metas, no headers, no incoming links, nothing, but it was number 1. Why?

It was the only site that offered something close to the keyword phrase. Find out what your competition doesn't offer and give it to people.

Grab a little bit of everyones share. Work the numbers..... make a quality site and do some basic seo, and a lot of great content - let the link farmers worry about PR - it's a thing of the past.

**Rankenstein** · 02-01-2008, 08:07 AM

Pinkfluffybunny, it amuses me tremendously that you think link farms, link popularity and PageRank are somehow interchangeable terms. You are wrong, how many times do you have to be told? Even Google's official policy tells you that to rank higher, you need to get more incoming quality links. Seriously ask yourself, who are people going to listen to, you or Google? You are deluded.

corlock · 02-01-2008, 09:53 AM

rankenstein seems angry...well, its about PR again, I'm not surprised...LOL ^_^...

of course PR is valid but only for Google because its their feature/system...

**Rankenstein** · 02-01-2008, 10:07 AM

Hi corlock, we all know link popularity is a major part of ranking well on Google.

PageRank, talking generally, is the way Google shows how much link popularity you have.

No-one questions whether 2+2=4, do they? Questioning PageRank, in SEO for Google, is like questioning whether 2+2=4.

OK, the toolbar is usually a few months out of date, and OK, PR doesn't say anything about anchor text in the links, but it's actually right there in black and white straight from Google themselves. They say it clearly.

That's why I get a bit annoyed, corlock. Because it is obviously true that PageRank matters, and I want this forum to give proper SEO information, and not mislead people by saying links don't matter.

Oh well.

marthrock · 02-01-2008, 10:37 AM

The higher your PageRank the more pages that will be indexed. A high PageRank gives the Googlebot more of a reason to return. A higher PageRank means a deeper crawl.

shakir · 02-03-2008, 10:22 AM

if the site have hogh PR in google means, the site will be in top position in SERP. In SE world google is the king so everybody consider only google

MichelRobinson2 · 02-04-2008, 05:21 AM

I would like to thanx to everyone for their views.

dushar · 02-04-2008, 05:49 AM

Hi,

Actually the page rank of any site will show the quality of the page and also increase the ranking in search engines.

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css25 · 02-04-2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shakir

if the site have hogh PR in google means, the site will be in top position in SERP.

Not really. It is depends on your keywords.

pinkfluffybunny · 02-04-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rankenstein

Pinkfluffybunny, it amuses me tremendously that you think link farms, link popularity and PageRank are somehow interchangeable terms. You are wrong, how many times do you have to be told? Even Google's official policy tells you that to rank higher, you need to get more incoming quality links. Seriously ask yourself, who are people going to listen to, you or Google? You are deluded.

Of course you do, you are a link farmer :-)

I worry about placement and conversion. I'm not concerned with helping Google to try to get their PR working again. Link farmers killed it. They may be able to defeat you guys in the future - but in the mean time I'm worried about my clients NOW - not selling or buying links that are meaningless -

The only reason Google still keeps PR around is they have hopes that someday they can get it to work the way it was meant to.

It was a good concept - good sites should have lots of links to it - but you guys killed it. Google won't let the idea go - but they can't use it yet - shame the black hatters killed it.

**Rankenstein** · 02-04-2008, 07:36 AM

Firstly, I'm not a link farmer - and I've got no idea why you think I am - link farmers are guys who set up networks of sites with thousands of pages for the sole purpose of harvesting IBLs. I don't do that, therefore I'm not a link farmer. Do I try and get links from sites that coincide with my clients' core business? Yes. Does that make me a link farmer? No. Do I buy links? Sometimes. 99% of the time I don't.

In any event, Google are pretty good at detecting paid links - they proved that in the last six months or so.

I wouldn't mind, but you're half right. What you say about on page elements is right, who can argue? But I don't know where you get your ideas about link popularity from. That part is a mystery to me.

~DaRk-EyE~ · 02-04-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shakir

if the site have hogh PR in google means, the site will be in top position in SERP.

Goolge PR is one good factor to consider in having a high position on SERP. But its only a part of many other factors to be on top, so PR alone is not a basis for ranking high on SERP. You'll notice that some sites with lesser PR are on top of SERP.

I believe that PR affects SERP even in the slightest way but aiming to be on top of it with high PR alone is not enough. Proper optimization is the key...

pinkfluffybunny · 02-04-2008, 07:42 AM

If you build a quality site, links will come naturally - the way it was meant to work!

and if Google ever gets the PR working again, you won't have to worry about being penalized for buying all those links.

MSN already gives priority to MOM and POP sites - I guess they are trying to get the rep of being the peoples search engine and the women's search engine, instead of the demograpics google brings in.

When you consider that 75% of all online products used in the home are purchased by women it's not a bad strategy

I use engine position depending on the targeted audience - example if I were targeting french surfers - I would have to get my share on Viola

Yahoo is making a comeback - to base your marketing plan on links is just foolish

comScore Networks reports "Yahoo! as the number one site on the Internet in terms of traffic, pulling in over 115 million unique visitors last month. MSN-Microsoft sites ranked second with 113 million visitors, while Google placed a respectable fourth with 63 million unique visitors. "

Common sense leads me to believe this is portal usage (searching and portal usage is two different things, but MSN comes in second with google third (portal usage).

MSN and Yahoo together makes it the giant in portal usage. Then if they can get conversion leaves Goolge in the dust - Big IF.

**Rankenstein** · 02-04-2008, 08:09 AM

I haven't been worried about being penalised for buying links - a link from Yahoo is worth the same as it ever was, and it's fine to 'buy a link' off them, Google have made that clear.

On top of which, Google make it clear that getting quality sites to link to you is a good way of improving your rank. OMFG, I just realised. Google are trying to trick me into spamming! If I listen to them, I'll be banned from their engine! The sky's falling in! Thank God you're here, pinkfluffybunny, to protect me from Google's official advice or I might have fallen into their evil trap.