What's your bounce rate? - Page 31

deepsand · Share | #**601** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Donnie

For a home page or anything of valuable content where you would expect your user to learn from share, convert, etc... you would want the lowest bounce rate.

Maybe; maybe not.

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If you have a landing page that redirects right away (less then 1% of most site) then your bounce rate does not matter.

To the contrary, one may want a very high rate.

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Keep in mind, Google ranks each page on your site individually.

What evidence is there that Google "ranks" by bounce rate?

How can it even know what the site's goals are in such regard?

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To simplify this thread, I think its best to explain in which scenarios having a lower bounce rate is better and in which it does not matter.

Addressed countless times in this thread.

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Donnie · #**602** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deepsand

Maybe; maybe not.

To the contrary, one may want a very high rate.

How can it even know what the site's goals are in such regard?

Addressed countless times in this thread.

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Are you claiming that bounce rate is completely useless?

Maybe Google just wants to waste everyones time with it.. What your logic?

Whats the point of having a bounce rate for a landing page? I thought bounce rate is completely useless...

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Originally Posted by deepsand

What evidence is there that Google "ranks" by bounce rate?
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You did not read my sentence very well...
Originally Posted by Donnie:
Keep in mind, Google ranks each page on your site individually.

Where did I write "Bounce Rate" here?

I wrote this for the readers to understand that every page on their site has its own Bounce Rate. Home Page, Landing Page, etc...

deepsand · #**603** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Donnie

Are you claiming that bounce rate is completely useless?

Taken out of context, yes, it is useless.

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Maybe Google just wants to waste everyones time with it.. What your logic?

Evades the questions re. Google's use of bounce rate..

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Originally Posted by Donnie

You did not read my sentence very well...
Originally Posted by Donnie:
Keep in mind, Google ranks each page on your site individually.

Where did I write "Bounce Rate" here?

I wrote this for the readers to understand that every page on their site has its own Bounce Rate. Home Page, Landing Page, etc...

Firstly, only entry pages have a bounce rate,

And, given that this discussion is about bounce rate, and not other factors, if you now wish to claim that you were not speaking of bounce rate then you admit to being off-topic.

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Donnie · #**604** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 01:03 PM

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Taken out of context, yes, it is useless.

Evades the questions re. Google's use of bounce rate..

Firstly, only entry pages have a bounce rate,

And, given that this discussion is about bounce rate, and not other factors, if you now wish to claim that you were not speaking of bounce rate then you admit to being off-topic.

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Well since google bounce rate in your opinion is not important and does not matter... why are you bashing those of us who do believe it matters? after all everything you write is just your opinion with no backing.

The rest of what I have to say should be public. However, out of respect to the moderators, I will send this to you in a PR.

deepsand · #**605** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 01:13 PM

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Well since google bounce rate in your opinion is not important and does not matter... why are you bashing those of us who do believe it matters?

Because those who fail to understand it harm both themselves and those who they influence.

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after all everything you write is just your opinion with no backing.

A reading of this thread, and many others elsewhere, will show that your opinion is not universally shared; and, that the conditions under which a bounce rate may be naturally and acceptably high have in fact been described by many and on numerous occasions.

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Donnie · #**606** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deepsand

Because those who fail to understand it harm both themselves and those who they influence.

A reading of this thread, and many others elsewhere, will show that your opinion is not universally shared; and, that the conditions under which a bounce rate may be naturally and acceptably high have in fact been described by many and on numerous occasions.

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Do you work for Bing?

those who fail to understand your opinion might harm both themselves and those who they influence? How will they be harmed all mighty deepsand?

You are correct my opinion is not universally shared but neither is yours. The only difference between us is, I didn't call my logical theory's facts, and you did.

**Cricket** · #**607** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 04:41 PM

Let's not get personal y'all. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

SEOnomics · #**608** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 07:40 PM

You can get your bounce rate down by lowering the number of ads you have above the fold. Google wants you to do this, anyway.

Make sure that the first thing your visitors see is unique, valuable content. Period.

deepsand · #**609** (**permalink**) 03-27-2012, 08:33 PM

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You can get your bounce rate down by lowering the number of ads you have above the fold. Google wants you to do this, anyway.

Google is of two minds in this regard, in that it is dependent on those ads for revenue.

The successful AdSense publisher, and one who is by definition profitable for Google, will have a high bounce rate; a low one means that the ads are drawing no clicks.

One can have ads down one rail or the other, thus leaving a reasonable amount of editorial content above the fold, and still strive for and attain a high CTR for those ads, thus yielding a high bounce rate.

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Noahqw · #**610** (**permalink**) 03-29-2012, 02:18 PM

Mine is around %65.0.

Donnie · #**611** (**permalink**) 03-30-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by deepsand

Google is of two minds in this regard, in that it is dependent on those ads for revenue.

The successful AdSense publisher, and one who is by definition profitable for Google, will have a high bounce rate; a low one means that the ads are drawing no clicks.

One can have ads down one rail or the other, thus leaving a reasonable amount of editorial content above the fold, and still strive for and attain a high CTR for those ads, thus yielding a high bounce rate.

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Google hates it when someone has too many adds on a page.

In your opinion, In the case of no ads on a page and that the page is not a landing page (a redirecting page) Would you say reducing the bounce rate is a good thing?

deepsand · #**612** (**permalink**) 03-30-2012, 07:56 PM

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Google hates it when someone has too many adds on a page.

That out of one side of its mouth only.

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In your opinion, In the case of no ads on a page and that the page is not a landing page (a redirecting page) Would you say reducing the bounce rate is a good thing?

Not necessarily.

If a single page satisfies the wants/needs of both the visitor and the site's owner, without need of another, so be it.

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MarkHeron · #**613** (**permalink**) 03-31-2012, 02:22 AM

deepsand, what do you think of single page product websites? Like Clickbank sites? Do you think they can compete with traditional websites considering there is less value to be found in single page sites as far as Google and users are concerned?

virtueinfo11 · #**614** (**permalink**) 03-31-2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfredito

My watches site gets 16% bounce rate, it used to be over 40% and then i change the deisgn... like magic...

i observe shopping website bounce rate is low, compare to other service provider website.

reason behind this will be, on shopping website user stay on site to review new product, features etc... i think that's why bounce rate is low.

deepsand · #**615** (**permalink**) 03-31-2012, 02:48 AM

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i observe shopping website bounce rate is low, compare to other service provider website.

reason behind this will be, on shopping website user stay on site to review new product, features etc... i think that's why bounce rate is low.

Move the shopping carts off-site, and watch the bounce rates change, even though visitors are doing the same things.

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deepsand · #**616** (**permalink**) 03-31-2012, 02:55 AM

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deepsand, what do you think of single page product websites? Like Clickbank sites? Do you think they can compete with traditional websites considering there is less value to be found in single page sites as far as Google and users are concerned?

Seems to me that the success of ClickBank speaks for itself.

In any event, the true measure of success is, not the arbitrary metric "bounce rate," but what the site owner deems it to be.

Take, for example, http://www.thelongestdomainnameinthe...reandmore.com/ .

Said measure there might be the number of hits on that page, the number of hits on the site's only other page, the SERP rank it attains, how long it retains said rank, how long it retains its distinction, or some combination of such. Only its owner knows for sure.

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dofollowforum · #**617** (**permalink**) 03-31-2012, 03:30 AM

One of my website (Android Related), scores a Bounce Rate of 0.1-0.5%

For Reference: (Will put URL after I get my 20 posts, if someone is in a hurry to check it out PM me)

It used to have much higher bounce-rates (upto 50-60%) and then I re-did the Theme and then added some Interactivity (such as Recent/Recommended Posts etc) and it went as low as 0.05%

^.^

MarkHeron · #**618** (**permalink**) 04-02-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deepsand

Seems to me that the success of ClickBank speaks for itself.

In any event, the true measure of success is, not the arbitrary metric "bounce rate," but what the site owner deems it to be.

Take, for example, http://www.thelongestdomainnameinthe...reandmore.com/ .

Said measure there might be the number of hits on that page, the number of hits on the site's only other page, the SERP rank it attains, how long it retains said rank, how long it retains its distinction, or some combination of such. Only its owner knows for sure.

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Well, the success of Clickbank can mostly be attributed to affiliate marketers, which have more organic sites than sales letter types.

Considering Google prefers providing relevant information that commercial stuff to its users, do sales letter sites have a disadvantage?

deepsand · #**619** (**permalink**) 04-02-2012, 08:11 PM

Actually, Google is not so objective, but rather caters to the subjective whims of its users so long as it does not adversely affect its ad revenues. It has no reason to care if a site is or is not of a commercial nature.

In fact, Google very much depends on its having a large stable of commercial sites to offer up, as shopping and buying now comprise a very large portion of web activity.

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Ord Allenbea · #**620** (**permalink**) 04-03-2012, 10:13 AM

Bounce rate is a small factor and a difficult metric to work with. I personally find too many marketers waste valuable time on far too many metrics when they try to analyze things. For example a single page site should have a 100% bounce rate because there are no links to follow. Bounce rate means visitors went to one page and left the site, they followed no links.

Bounce rate can be skewed by bots because you may have 100 bots on your site that go, look, and leave in 10 seconds. What many should be focused on is why a visitor came to a page and sat there for a few minutes and then left. You should be focused on why did that visitor leave and not so much on why did the 10 second visitors leave.

Great example:

Visitor goes to a page and looks at the sales page, reads it and then notices a contact form at the bottom of the page. The visitor fills out the contact page asking "are you selling software or an ebook". The sales page specifically says that the product is an ebook but the buy button says "purchase and download now".

It is this visitor that you want to know why they took the time to fill out the form and ask the question when the sales page specifically says it is an ebook. Maybe on the purchase button it should say "purchase and download your ebook now".