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Old 05-02-2013, 09:48 AM
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Might be?

"Lockdown" is the new normal.



http://www.newser.com/article/da5v2t...n-n-calif.html

That's from a rural area in California after an 8 year old girl was found dead. Paramilitary police / DHS don't need no stinking badges warrants.
The time window on fixing and reversing this is closing fast.
 
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:47 AM
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Might be?

"Lockdown" is the new normal.



http://www.newser.com/article/da5v2t...n-n-calif.html

That's from a rural area in California after an 8 year old girl was found dead. Paramilitary police / DHS don't need no stinking badges warrants.


I surely don't mean to offend anyone but I have to say what is on my mind.

How have we come to the point that we are so stupid or eager to see what is happening as it happens that we have to be told to stay inside with the doors locked when there might be a killer in the area? To me that is just plain common sense. I guess the instant gratification of 24 hour news channels makes some of us feel entitled to know ever event as it happens.

Believe it or not there is a large group of radical thinkers hell bent on destroying us in the name of some perverted concept of God.

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Old 05-02-2013, 11:53 AM
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How have we come to the point that we are so stupid or eager to see what is happening as it happens that we have to be told to stay inside with the doors locked when there might be a killer in the area? ...
Don't know where you live, but where I live, it's the killer who needs to fear trespassing on my property. Texas has a very strong Castle Doctrine.
 
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:54 PM
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We have the same doctrine and I would not hesitate if forced to do so but I don't feel any need to go looking for trouble. I no longer feel the immortality of youth.
 
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:18 PM
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What do you think about this video guys?

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Old 05-02-2013, 03:32 PM
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About what I would expect from a Socialist.
 
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:17 PM
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The Brownshirts.
Next up, the Obama youth.

"If you see something, say something." Stalin loved that one.
Report your neighbours.
 
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:53 PM
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About what I would expect from a Socialist.
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The Brownshirts.
Next up, the Obama youth.

"If you see something, say something." Stalin loved that one.
Report your neighbours.
I believe that when politicians want the equivalent of a regular national armed force for civilian there is a danger of policy skid. I don't think extreme policy is the answer.

There is an old article from CATO institute to read which is very relevant with what happen today.

Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America
http://www.cato.org/publications/whi...-raids-america
 
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:01 PM
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"Guilt is very clear" does not mean that justices is dealt out on the street....

It means that when the suspect is identified to absolute certainty.....we would not allow that individual to harm another innocent person...
Only using the force necessary to overcome the suspect....

But as a commander, I believed in using more manpower (or person power) and weapons to insure that citizens and officers were well protected...
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@Zap......some situation require that an agency push the envelope.....(not cross the line)
bear in mind that soldiers and cops receive different training...

All these things can reflect the philosophy of the agency head...
Police chiefs and Sheriffs (in the south) dance to a different drummer...
 
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:13 AM
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@Zap......some situation require that an agency push the envelope.....(not cross the line)
bear in mind that soldiers and cops receive different training...
It's difficult to tell the difference these days.
The police are so militarized.
"Public service" is all but a vague memory when you see these guys.
 
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:48 PM
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:19 PM
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Zap, after watching that, I would be ashamed if that sort of behaviour was carried out by the authorities in the UK.

Totally amateur and disgusting performance by the authorities. Leaving houses unlocked and doors open!!! For a start, if ones house was burgled and the insurance company found out that the house was unlocked and nobody was in, there would be no payout (read the small print, they all have it in)

And I don't want to hear "you have to do what it takes", because that is just nonsense as this just shows lack of respect by the authorities and an almost brash attitude by them.
 
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:31 PM
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I watched the video Zap, and it just confirm what I have posted. I think it is dangerous because it is more political motivated to desensibilize the population from paramilitaire police in the peaceful civilian life and you don't act like that with the innocent population. Ruthless is for criminals. The finess is for the innocents!

Don't make me wrong, I believe that SWAT teams are necessary, but I think in several cases they lack quality intel to execute their missions.

Just search for "SWAT team go to the wrong home".
 
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:36 PM
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I'd like definition

as to exactly what national security goals 'we've' set.

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Though the authorities do this for protection, but the heavily armored troops can be scary to look at. As if you are under Martial Law.
 
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Old 05-12-2013, 03:19 PM
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The Brownshirts.
Next up, the Obama youth.

"If you see something, say something." Stalin loved that one.
Report your neighbours.
Believe me dude, it doesn't work!

I have been trying to report you for years to the admin here and look how that backfired on me!!!
 
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:06 PM
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Too many lemmings...

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During all the stuff going on in Boston, I couldn't help but think of this thread.
http://www.v7n.com/forums/controvers...-miami-fl.html

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Old 05-14-2013, 06:48 PM
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Are they going to get train every month and traumatize the people and kids?

Why are they training like for recently and for what purpose?
 
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:35 AM
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...rrorists-oh-my

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Historically, the expanded use of the terrorist label by governments tends to coincide with the rising tides of despotism. A government that quietly seeks to dominate the people will inevitably begin to treat the people as if they are the enemy. Those citizens who present the greatest philosophical or physical threat to the centralization of power are usually the first to suffer. I do not think it is unfair to say that any system of authority that suddenly claims to see terrorists under every rock and behind every tree is probably about to rain full-on fascism down upon the population.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is the legal extension of this process, with a vaporous gray language that allows the government to interpret it in any manner it deems useful, which conveniently allows it to interpret a wide range of “offenses” as acts of war against the state.

The Department of Homeland Security’s “If You See Something Say Something” campaign is the social extension of the process, by which it creates the framework for a paranoid self-censored surveillance culture.
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The concept of self-radicalization is a very interesting propaganda tactic. Rather than limiting the public’s fear only to some outside foreign enemy like Al Qaeda or some domestic activist organization like the liberty movement, the establishment has now composed a narrative in which each and every one of us might one day catch the extremist virus of dissent, defiance or ideological violence and suddenly decide to kill, kill, kill.
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If the elites achieve the social endgame they desire, legal and political wordplay will become so broad that anyone could be targeted. If you are a citizen who defies the establishment power structure, then you are an extremist. If you are an extremist, then you are a terrorist. If you are a terrorist, then you are an enemy combatant. And, under the NDAA, if you are an enemy combatant, you are no longer a citizen and you no longer deserve Constitutional protection. The circular logic is maddening, not to mention outrageous. But it is also very useful when an abusive government needs a pretext to silence or destroy dissent. Under totalitarianism, all people become terrorists. It starts with the mistreatment of the worst of us, and it ends with the mistreatment of the best of us.
 
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