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Old 09-19-2013, 12:53 PM
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Question on Writing content with long tails

So I run a few outdoor sites using wordpress and I have a question on writing content utilizing long tail keywords. I have researched my long tails for a while and have come up with a great list. But now I have a few questions.

I utilize Yoast Worpress SEO and plug in my long tail keyword. And lets use the example of "best fishing rod for bass" I can craft a creative headline and plenty of original content for the body of at least 500-750 words. Yoast recommends the key phrase to be at least 1% of the total words.

My first question is when using long tails it can obviously be much harder to keep reusing the key phrase and not sound like you are trying to use the phrase over and over - so how many times does the phrase need to exist to be relevant for Google? I use it as the pic title and alt text and its in the headline as well - so what about the body.

My second question is I also have a list of long tails that are very similar, but instead of being "best fishing rod for bass" there may be a phrase like "best bass fishing rod" - should I create content that is specific to each long tail phrase even though they would be original but redundant? Or what should I do?

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Old 09-19-2013, 06:41 PM
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Not every top SEO master believe in the importance of keyword density. Though some say, it is 0.7% of all total words, Aaron Wall from SEObook said it is just an over rated topic. just look link profile or DMOZ link directory, there are no content value in it
 
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Old 09-19-2013, 10:21 PM
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Use the phrase early in the content and late in the content...
Write for people first....
The density is not important unless it is too high....as determined by the SE....

Remember ...long tails also contain....short tails...
 
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:39 PM
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You can use long tail keywords while keeping 2%-3# density in each post.
 
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:53 AM
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You can use long tail keywords while keeping 2%-3# density in each post.
Where did you get this number from?
 
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:38 PM
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As Jim said "Use the phrase early in the content and late in the content...
Write for people first....
The density is not important"

And I think most of us in the search engine optimization field do understand your dilemma as far as targeting longer tailed keywords. And your question is indeed very valid because targeting longer tailed keywords requires balance and finesse, or else, the web copy just doesn't sound right. So your own tests for your industry keywords will be your best answer.
Here's what we do: we use keywords in page name, and at least in title exactly as the keywords being targeted. Then we use the keywords in h1 (with small variations) and throughout the copy (at least once exactly as in the order of target) and whenever appropriate (keep in mind that keyword density etc shouldn't be within your mentality when targeting longer tailed keywords. What should be within our mentality is answering the search query, in your case it is:
"best fishing rod for bass"
If I was targeting these keywords, then I would actually present quality images in the first eye full, and then present textual content (and I would name the images without thinking too hard about keywords) and instead would utilize them along these lines
<img src="red-fishing-rod.jpg" alt="man catching fish" this will be better in every sense
<img src="fishing-rod-for-bass.jpg" alt="bass being caught on a fishing rod" surely these are examples ONLY
As I have looked at a website with your keywords and this URL came up bass Pro DOT com and one may reason as to "that particular website is ranking high because they have things in place?" clearly that would be fatal flaw of logic because they are actually spamming image names and alt tags. So if you want to be number one for your keywords and out rank the URL above, then I would suggest this:
1 = either create a page with this name best-fishing-rod-for-bass.html
then have your keywords as such in your title
then have your keywords in h1
then have your keywords in image names and alt tags (without spamming)
and at least mention your keywords exactly at the start and also towards the end of your content.
NOW that's one option.

"best fishing rod for bass" there may be a phrase like "best bass fishing rod" - should I create content that is specific to each long tail phrase even though they would be original but redundant? Or what should I do?

Both terms you mentioned above are the same for targeting, meaning you don't have to create new pages for each keywords as you mentioned above.

Also;
Another option would be is that you can create a folder and name it like this:

yourURLdotCom/best-fishing-rod/for-bass.html
yourURLdotCom/best-fishing-rod/for-surf-fishing.html
yourURLdotCom/best-fishing-rod/for-rock-fishing.html ETC.

This may be more suitable and will also cover keywords in the URL and although I really dislike giving hyperlinks to external URL's, I feel that for this question in particular, the thread creator would certainly benefit watching this video which explains how to target longer tailed keywords for SEO purposes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gla6SpeKcg

We hope we have contributed to your understanding, also we encourage you to not worry too much about what other websites (yoast, or moazt etc) are saying about high Google rankings and search engine optimisation etc, instead put forth your future questions in v7n.com forum and get useful answers
 
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Where people get caught up and lost focus is they forget that it is only a recommendation. This only counts for a percentage of ranking points with the search engines.

I know you want to try your BEST to find a way to include those key phrases. However, do you want to include it the recommended amount of times and turn off your visitor because the page doesn't sound right? . . . or include it just enough to where it makes sense and only wright for your visitors and include other aspects of SEO content to where you still win with the search engines and real organic visitors.
 
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I understand you dilemma regarding use of the long tail keyword excessively. You should include it in the body of the content, but also include short tail versions of the keyword as well. such "bass fishing rod" "rod for bass fishing" etc. Despite the fact it isn't the whole keyword these variations will help and they will not make your copy seem to overly stuffed with an awkward keyword.
 
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Instead of guessing take a look at the top 10 for that keyword. Look at their density's and emulate it. Just remember to firstly write for your audience, and then for Google. Don't take away from your readers for the sake of ranking.
 
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