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Old 09-20-2012, 06:17 AM
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Will Christians riot in the streets?

I want to know if Christians should riot in the streets over the Sunday Doonesbury comic?

Why don't you take a look http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2012/09/16 and let me know?



 
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:35 AM
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:48 AM
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I am not really a follower but I can't see Christians being too concerned as it is funny and is done in an unscientific way, missing out so many points and taking things so litterally that the cartoon is also joking at the science aspect

Granted, if it were about the Muslim faith, then the comic, the people, the building and probably the city would be burnt down, all in the name of a loving God
 
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:28 AM
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"There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the spirit."

Napoleon Bonaparte
 
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:52 AM
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No, and for the Muslims as well should embrace the criticism and alter their flawed beliefs.
 
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:39 AM
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The world need Atheism.
 
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:05 AM
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I would comment concerning my outrage...

But...The NSA would probably pull my files and men in black suits would come by the house...
So..."no comment"....))))))))))
 
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:11 PM
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Well the Christians seem to be doing a fine job of ruining the world already without rioting, so why should they deviate from their current position. Plus they had their riots when they slaughtered Europe.
 
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The world need Atheism.
You have to read this:

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Just How Many People Has Religion Killed?
Kirk Durston, National Director, New Scholars Society

A popular urban legend that I've often heard is that religion has killed more people than anything else, so the world would be a lot more peaceful place were it not for religion. The top three largest examples are thought to be the Crusades of the Middle Ages, the Spanish Inquisition, and the burning of witches. Scholars estimate that the Crusades of the middle ages cost from 58,000 to 133,000 lives. The most realistic figure for the Spanish Inquisition puts the total killed from AD1480 to AD1808 at up to 31,912. Finally, records indicate that the number of witches killed may be over 30,000. Some argue that records don't tell everything and suggest that maybe even 100,000 were killed. These three events, totaling over 264,000 killed, are thought to be the largest atrocities perpetrated by one or another form of Christendom. As we shall shortly see, however, they pale into insignificance in comparison to the consequences of atheism.

There are two points to make by way of response. The first point can be made by asking the question, "Are these activities consistent with what Jesus taught?" Most people with even an elementary knowledge of Christ will admit that such killing is inconsistent with His teachings. People often try to justify their hatred, actions, and even killing by appealing to whatever is held in high regard by the population. It follows that if Christianity is or was held in high regard by populations, that certain people with the power to carry out atrocities would attempt to justify them in the name of Christianity. It is a simple-minded person indeed who reasons, "Joe claims he is a Christian--Joe committed an atrocity in the name of Christianity--therefore Christianity promotes atrocities." The Bible states that the person who says he loves God, but hates his brother, is a liar. There are many people through history that have done horrible things in the name of Christianity, but Jesus' words, "you will know them by their fruit" tell the real story regarding their love for God and whether they follow the commands of Jesus Christ.

The second point to make is that, yes, people who claim to love God do kill, but nowhere near to the extent that the lack of religion does. According to University of Hawaii political scientist Rudolph J. Rummel,[1] <#_ftn1> the total number killed in all of human history is estimated to be about 284,638,000. Of that number, 151,491,000 were killed during the past 100 years. The single largest killer in all of human history is, by far, atheistic Communism with a total of 110,000,000 … over 1/3 of all people ever killed! If we add to that number just two other regimes where religion of any sort was strongly discouraged, Nazi Germany and Nationalist China, the number rises to 141,160,000. Almost 50% of all the killings in human history were committed in the past 100 years by regimes that either actively promoted atheism or strongly discouraged religion. We have not considered the over one billion abortions, where Christianity seems to be particularly unwelcome. When the murders of history are tallied up, it is very clear that atheism is the most dangerous philosophy ever embraced by humanity. The most effective restraint on mankind's inherently evil tendencies is faith in God through Jesus Christ, a faith that actually follows the teachings and commands of Jesus Christ as a daily way of life.
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21Pb...DthByAthsm.htm

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Old 09-20-2012, 09:21 PM
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You continuously post things such as Communism has killed millions, or religion hasn't killed billions etc Natural Elements, you need to understand that an ideology cannot kill someone, it has no power without the killer which is Human Beings. Human Beings have taken an ideology such as Religion and used that as justification to slaughter billions. Whether or not it was the Christianisation of Europe where Paganism was almost eradicated by Human Beings who flew the banner of their God in justification of their slaughter to the common day where Islamic Extremists slaughter children, fly planes into buildings and attack others for their views.

The problem isn't Religion, it's the concept of a dangerous mindset that a Human Being can twist Religion into - IE Hitler, Bin Laden, King Richard the Lionheart etc. So Christianity has never killed anyone, Islam has never killed anyone. Atheism has certainly never killed anyone. Humans have, using these ideas as their justification.
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:02 AM
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You continuously post things such as Communism has killed millions, or religion hasn't killed billions etc Natural Elements, you need to understand that an ideology cannot kill someone, it has no power without the killer which is Human Beings. Human Beings have taken an ideology such as Religion and used that as justification to slaughter billions. Whether or not it was the Christianisation of Europe where Paganism was almost eradicated by Human Beings who flew the banner of their God in justification of their slaughter to the common day where Islamic Extremists slaughter children, fly planes into buildings and attack others for their views.

The problem isn't Religion, it's the concept of a dangerous mindset that a Human Being can twist Religion into - IE Hitler, Bin Laden, King Richard the Lionheart etc. So Christianity has never killed anyone, Islam has never killed anyone. Atheism has certainly never killed anyone. Humans have, using these ideas as their justification.
I understand your way of thinking, but you forgot that some ideologies are more violente than others. But I agree with you that some people used the ideologies for their own interests.

The author of this article mentionned this too at: It follows that if Christianity is or was held in high regard by populations, that certain people with the power to carry out atrocities would attempt to justify them in the name of Christianity. It is a simple-minded person indeed who reasons
"Joe claims he is a Christian--Joe committed an atrocity in the name of Christianity--therefore Christianity promotes atrocities."

As far as "Human Beings have taken an ideology such as Religion and used that as justification to slaughter billions."

You have to back this up because I didn't find anything that's says that religion slaughted billions.
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:08 AM
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Thus, Communism is a distinct socio-political philosophy that is willing to use violent means to attain its goal of a classless society.
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/wh...munism-faq.htm
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:08 PM
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@NE..
slaughtered......in the name of religion.....
history abounds with incidents of...well, murders in the name of some religion...
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:20 PM
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@NE..
slaughtered......in the name of religion.....
history abounds with incidents of...well, murders in the name of some religion...
Murdering in the name of......is a justification that some people used, use and will use.

The issue is that some people will use anything to get the power and apply their own agenda using: Ideology, Religions, cults, sects, false flags, etc
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:32 PM
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Just to clarify: When I said that I understand the way of thinking of Dan Williamson, I meant to make the difference between the communism philosophy and the dramatic political application in the name of Communism that killed so many.
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:49 PM
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You have to back this up because I didn't find anything that's says that religion slaughted billions.
Exactly - it was an example playing on your words that Atheism has caused more this, that and the other. No religion, theism, atheism, polytheism, socialism, communism, democracy, politics, naked-orgies etc has killed anything. It's the Human Being that does it.

No matter what is written in any scriptures, in any religion, in any social movement it is not the movements themselves or the ideologies themselves that make people do things - it is people (Human Beings) that do it and then use the religion, communism, democracy, atheism etc as a moral justification for their actions. I fail to see how anyone can dispute this.
 
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:45 PM
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I fail to see how anyone can dispute this.
I can't dispute that, it is very logical.
 
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:50 AM
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The original question in this post is ... will Christians riot.

Nope.

We don't even riot when artists call it art to put a crucifix in urine.

While you guys argue about people who kill others, there are Christians quietly feeding their neighbors, supporting and running food banks, helping disaster victims, providing medical training and food to people in third world countries, helping widows, and more.

Haven't heard any news reports lately about all that Christian rioting because it isn't happening.
 
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:42 AM
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The original question in this post is ... will Christians riot.

Nope.

We don't even riot when artists call it art to put a crucifix in urine.

While you guys argue about people who kill others, there are Christians quietly feeding their neighbors, supporting and running food banks, helping disaster victims, providing medical training and food to people in third world countries, helping widows, and more.

Haven't heard any news reports lately about all that Christian rioting because it isn't happening.
You quite often hear about ordained folk raping children and molesting folk as well as promoting gender inequality and anti-gay propaganda though, but of course you can't label something through a generalisation (although these folk are quite often in the highest positions available in the modern day Church)

In America and in Texas which many people call God's Country (I believe) there is a great tolerance for the world-wide insult of the Bible, or a Cross. However if you look past your borders, daily reports in Norway in the 90s, Poland etc about none-Christian people being evil, violent. Blasphemy against Christianity being illegal and punishable by Jail time, musicians promoting none-Christian beliefs being punished as 'Satanists' when they mention nothing but Pagan lore in their lyrics etc etc

So to sum up, you seldom hear about Christians rioting in the East, or in America. But there's plenty of negative news elsewhere in regards to Christianity, but you cannot generalise because:

For every Muslim rioting in the East, there are 10,000 Muslims helping someone else and promoting their religion as a peaceful order through doing good things for others.

For every Christian priest accused of molesting Children, there are 10,000 Christians preaching their Gods forgiveness by giving food to the poor, helping children in need and doing good.

For every Pagan wiped out by Christians in Europe in the Christianisation of Europe, there is a Pagan celebrating the sun and helping others.

For every Bhuddist monk protesting in Burma there are 10,000 Bhuddist monks promoting peace in Asia.
 
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