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Old 04-06-2012, 05:04 PM
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Marine Might Get the Boot for Anti-Obama Facebook Posts [VIDEO]

Take a look at the video first if you haven't already heard about this.

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People are up in arms about reports of companies firing their employees over Facebook posts — but what if someone makes derogatory comments about their boss, and their boss happens to be the president of the U.S.?

That’s exactly the case for Sgt. Gary Stein, a Marine who may be dismissed from military service after criticizing President Barack Obama on his Facebook account. A Marine Corps administrative board suggested Stein be released on an other-than-honorable discharge for his posts, according to the Associated Press. Such a discharge would strip Stein of his military benefits.

Stein posted several...
Continued at: http://mashable.com/2012/04/06/marin...ok-gary-stein/

Your thoughts on this? Don't say the president deserved it. (Say this when it's time to Vote) Your thoughts on what the Marine Corps suggested?
 
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:32 PM
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Sigh ... that's a tough one.

If it were a citizen, I say they have full rights to say whatever they like and are protected in doing so.

The fact that he did it AS a marine ... actually I misread the story and had to go back and re-read ... it said he spoke to a "marine board" but I'm guessing that was a board of inquiry of some sort, and not something like an online forum community for marines?

Well ... that makes it a little trickier. I thought at first he did it AS a marine, to other marines. That would be decidedly unwise.

If he did it as himself, to his friends and family, with them knowing he was a marine ... still an unwise move. Especially if any other marines (particularly the younger ones they were worried about his comments having an effect on) were among his friends.

Then again, I'm not exactly thrilled to read that he was caught doing it. How was he caught? Do they intentionally monitor accounts for anti-Obama comments and zero in on someone easy to punish, like a member of the armed forces? I have to wonder how this became public. Of course, it's not the first time and people in all sorts of businesses have gotten in trouble for talking badly about their bosses. It's not wise for ANYONE to do in a place as public as Facebook, and using a means that can't be erased. Ever.

In the final analysis, the fact does remain that the military IS held to a higher standard. He should not have publicly made the comments he made. Not in any way that could be connected to him as a member of the military. Some disciplinary action is most likely warranted.

But other than honorable discharge? I think that is taking it too far. I really do. I think that is likely to be seen along the lines of a heavy-handed approach being taken by the administration against someone talking bad about them, reminiscent of the offices created solely to monitor negative comments about the administration. This is still America, and I believe the offices created for that reason are not appropriate in this nation, nor do I believe such serious sanctions against this marine for his comments are appropriate.
 
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:06 PM
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Well ... that makes it a little trickier. I thought at first he did it AS a marine, to other marines. That would be decidedly unwise.
Under the UCMJ... he's likely to have trouble. That isnt a secret he's just now discovering either. I don't like Obama myself, but he represented himself as an active duty Marine in his comment. It isnt gonna be a shock to other Marines that such a statement about the CnC becomes a legal issue.
 
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:49 PM
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I guess the question I should have considered first is ... do they have a disciplinary standard in place for such an action?

I know he shouldn't have done it, but was the penalty already set as part of standard of conduct or something? Never been in the marines ...

If the punishment was already stated as xyz, and that's what action is handed down, well ... who can argue against it?

If they are just now deciding how to punish such an infraction, or there is leeway in the decision, then to me, other-than-honorable discharge sounds harsh. But I'm really only looking at it from a standpoint of "what I think sounds right" ... so if there were standards in place my opinion is completely moot. (It's pretty moot anyway, except for purposes of discussion, since they aren't asking me what I think. )

Edited to add: when I re-read the article, I see he was commenting in response to a discussion about American military standing trial for for burning holy books. When that whole thing went down ... well, I didn't hear ALL the news, but ... what about the people who were shooting Americans in the midst of all this? A lot of things were done that shouldn't have been done. And I thought it was a cowardly move by the administration to hand over soldiers to NATO when nothing was done (was it?) about people shooting at them. Anyway, be that as it may ... I'm not saying that excuses his actions, by any means. But I am saying that it certainly might be possible to get in a heated discussion because of the topic and say something one might regret later, or fire off a message without thinking. It's unfortunate, if that's the case, and doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have done it. But if there IS leeway in deciding punishment, I dunno ... I agree he should be disciplined, but ... it still sounds harsh to me.

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Old 04-07-2012, 06:52 AM
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I agree he should be disciplined, but ... it still sounds harsh to me.
Seems so to me too.
 
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:39 AM
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Stein also posted that he would not follow the president’s orders ...

The bias the military has displayed for Stein is endemic of a politicized and polarized Armed Services.
 
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:17 PM
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Unfortunately our soldiers do not enjoy the same rights that they fight to give us......

A brief suspension w/o pay would get the message across....

Of course, the kiss butt officers will want to "fire" the guy....
 
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:09 AM
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He can not stay in the Marines after saying he would refuse an order,
The discharge should be less than honorable.
 
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