Why does Netscape

[AcRoNym]

not understand CSS properly like it ignores the div property and any value i give it, also a layer i have for a menu system is slighlty out of position

[Calisonder]

ya i hate netscape with a passion, it's good that the majority of people use I.E.

[AcRoNym]

killl it

[LazyJim]

which version?

[AcRoNym]

7.1 lj it doesnt like my css and a layer set to relative position is off by 5 px maybe

[LazyJim]

I think 7.1 uses the gecko engine, and that small difference could be due to yuor specified height/width attributes and the different way browsers show it.

The gecko engine renders CSS exactly as the W3C recommends, which is not always the best way.

IE uses a non-standard box-model, which is actually easier to work with most of the time.

I think they are talking about recommending a property that can be used to specify which box model you want used and when.

[AcRoNym]

so what do i do

[Coffeee™]

Nice graphic LazyJim very nice!

[LazyJim]

You need to tell IE to do different sizes to allow for any padding and border widths. You can put code in the page that is only read by IE or specific versions of IE by using conditional comments

[AcRoNym]

it ignores the css though??

[Distorted]

Using css hacks, you can tell IE to use one method of doing something and Netscape to use something else to make something look the same in both browsers. This is usually an effective, yet complicated way to do something that should be very simple.

[LazyJim]

Distorted: i think the CSS hack mainly target IE, when they do they often have the 'be nice to Opera' hack to mend the Ie hack that messes up Opera.

Conditional Comments are ignored by all browsers accept IE, put the CSS that fixes IE's mistakes in a conditional comment.

[AcRoNym]

erm how many will shift from nutscrape? they tell us to conform why dont the vendors agree on the structure its not that messed up but it completely ignores all div property

[Distorted]

Conditional Comments are ignored by all browsers accept IE, put the CSS that fixes IE's mistakes in a conditional comment.

I see. You're suggestion is sorta the same as mine, but much easier.

[LazyJim]

Well there's several influential parties involved. Here's what I see...

Users
Designers
Builders
Browser manufacturers
W3C

Users make the ultimate decision on what they want/expect/ignore/hate. (Market Forces).
Designers try to make new interesting design and design new interesting things.
Builders find new ways of using technology, sometimes as it says in the manual, and sometimes in imaginative ways that stretch it beyond its purpose.
Browser manufacturers try to make cool new features that can be sued by the designers and builders, and make other new features that allow users more control and functionality.
W3C recognise good technology and use their forward thinking minds to standardise technology in order to aid usability for end-users, and developers alike.

If users did not call for more interesting sites,
and designers did not call for the ability to control more than just what text is in the page, (eg. layout)
and builders did not abuse technology, (eg. table-based layout, <h1> for big text rather than headings...)
and browser manufactures did not create new technology and functionality, (eg. <font> tag etc...)
then the web would not have progressed.
But if the W3C had not intervened then the web would have eaten itself up.


(I have deliberately left business that are in it to make a living (or to rob us all and get rich), as they tell a similar but different story.)

[LazyJim]

Originally Posted by Distorted

I see. You're suggestion is sorta the same as mine, but much easier.

hehe yeah!

I don't know why every one else is using those other CSS hacks - they're only going to cause more headaches when new versions of browsers are released!

[AcRoNym]

kill it