Michael Kane Attacking Freelancers

Henri · 11-05-2007, 02:03 PM

I was casually checking out Michael Kane, owner of inlip designs site when I landed on his new blog. I was shocked that his very first post was an attack on freelancer designers. I checked the design community he sometimes visits and a lot of designers have already quoted his blog and commeneted. In my opinion they are fan boy for agreeing with him but I don't see how anything he said in that blog was acceptable.
He is clrealy bashing at freelance designers, why though is beyond my knowledge. He said in his blog

Quote:

So many kids are popping up these days calling them selves designers

Quote:

It’s a sad truth, but clients that look for a designer, usually know very little about design, therefor get sucked into a whirl pool of banana manoosha (which means bull shit in baby language).

Quote:

And, of course, many designers are simply poor communicators, either in writing, phone or face-to-face

He thinks just because he's had some good clients that he can go and insult us freelance designers? That is wrong and I think we should do something about acts like this against the general freelance design bodies

watley · 11-05-2007, 02:18 PM

This is not the place to air personal grievances or to stir up hostility against another member. Moreover, I can't even see that the post in question is designed to be taken personally by anyone, or that freelance designers constitute a unified and uniformly qualified group. May I suggest that you express your dissatisfaction in your own blog, rather than a public forum.

Julie · 11-05-2007, 02:21 PM

You just proved one of his points - you're a poor communicator. You can't even write well.

Anyways, he makes some valid points. Anyone and everyone can claim to be a designer or a writer these days, and you have to sort through a lot of shit to find someone who has any talent. He wasn't attacking freelancers in general, at least I don't think so... more like the freelancers who claim to be something they're not.

That being said, link us to the so-called "complaints".

**Cricket** · 11-05-2007, 02:32 PM

Henri? Why is it that every time you post you manage to be fighting with someone? You seriously need to chill.

chicgeek · 11-05-2007, 02:33 PM

I'm not completely convinced this is a lobby topic, anyway. Hm.

**Cricket** · 11-05-2007, 02:35 PM

It's not an anything thread.

The entire purpose was to flame and incite anger, placing quotes out of context without linking to the article.

Henri · 11-05-2007, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watley

This is not the place to air personal grievances or to stir up hostility against another member. Moreover, I can't even see that the post in question is designed to be taken personally by anyone, or that freelance designers constitute a unified and uniformly qualified group. May I suggest that you express your dissatisfaction in your own blog, rather than a public forum.

So him calling all new freelancers starting out KIDS is not rude?
My blog is not read by enough people, so making it public will get michael kane what he deserves. He always gives designers hell for their work, even if they are just starting out, he attacks them and tells them how bad it is, how can this not be an act of hostility against us freelance designers?
To him, it's the less freelancers out there taking jobs, the more projects he has a chance at taking.

Oh now all his fans want to delete the topic because they're afraid of him. Crickat i'm not fighting, i'm stating that something should be done about Michaels attitude towards other designers and how he publicly takes jabs at us.

Julie · 11-05-2007, 02:39 PM

He posts tutorials here and has been helpful as far as I can see.

I think you have some kind of personal grudge against him. Get over it.

Henri · 11-05-2007, 02:40 PM

Now everyone gives me red rep because I stood up to michael.
So all you people are ok with someone giving potential clients the thought that we freelancers are bad so he can get the work?

ewomack · 11-05-2007, 02:41 PM

Candidate for locking/deleting?

kristeejo · 11-05-2007, 02:42 PM

Why do you care that he hates freelancers? I don't get it? so what?

**Cricket** · 11-05-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri

So him calling all new freelancers starting out KIDS is not rude?
My blog is not read by enough people, so making it public will get michael kane what he deserves. He always gives designers hell for their work, even if they are just starting out, he attacks them and tells them how bad it is, how can this not be an act of hostility against us freelance designers?
To him, it's the less freelancers out there taking jobs, the more projects he has a chance at taking.

Oh now all his fans want to delete the topic because they're afraid of him. Crickat i'm not fighting, i'm stating that something should be done about Michaels attitude towards other designers and how he publicly takes jabs at us.

Then you should have let others read the entire article so that they could reach their own conclusions rather than slanting your post to your personal opinion, which is the proper way to open a discussion.

Following is a copy of the article.
http://inlip.com/landingpage/category/freelance-design/

My personal opinion? Many freelancers today fit this article perfectly.

That doesn't necessarily mean YOU or others you know, but there is a serious problem these days which is brought out into the open with this article.

chicgeek · 11-05-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri

Oh now all his fans want to delete the topic because they're afraid of him. Crickat i'm not fighting, i'm stating that something should be done about Michaels attitude towards other designers and how he publicly takes jabs at us.

I don't even know the guy's work, and I want to delete the topic.

ewomack · 11-05-2007, 02:45 PM

Could this at least get moved out of the lobby so first timers don't think this is a flame and attack fourm? This would have turned me off on my first visit.

**Cricket** · 11-05-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri

Now everyone gives me red rep because I stood up to michael.
So all you people are ok with someone giving potential clients the thought that we freelancers are bad so he can get the work?

Your red reps, which I have not given you YET are a result of your manner of opening this topic with YOUR conclusion without offering all of the evidence.

Henri · 11-05-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

He posts tutorials here and has been helpful as far as I can see.

I think you have some kind of personal grudge against him. Get over it.

Are you blind, you call the how to draw a line tutorial an actuall tutorial.
he wont ever share his skill with anyone and instead use it against people thinking he will get away with it just because he has some big clients or something.
Anyway, my point is why let a designer who has been in it longer than others come along and hurt the rep of new comers?

Crickat so its ok in your opinion, for a designer to ruin the names of other designer just because they are further ahead in the game? I don't see any logic to that. You know many people will be hurt if michael kane keeps at this and him TELLING CLIENTS they should ask for an address and phone number? What if I don't want to give them my personal details, why should I trust them? I am an online freelance designer might even live with my family or parents, why should I have to say this to a client.

He is trying to cause us harm and it is clrea if you read between the lines.

**Cricket** · 11-05-2007, 02:48 PM

Moving this thread to web design lobby.

**Cricket** · 11-05-2007, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri

You know many people will be hurt if michael kane keeps at this and him TELLING CLIENTS they should ask for an address and phone number? What if I don't want to give them my personal details, why should I trust them? I am an online freelance designer might even live with my family or parents, why should I have to say this to a client.

He is trying to cause us harm and it is clrea if you read between the lines.

I tell people every single day that they should not even consider doing business with someone that will not provide LEGIMATE contact information include a physical address and phone number. That is just plain good sense and good business. You want to attack me now too?

Henri · 11-05-2007, 02:59 PM

Why would I bother you obviously agree with his attacks on designers you might even be one of his close friends or afraid he will act up if you agree with me
You know I don't see why people can't read that blog and many other things he's said online and realize he just attacks designers.
He once wrote about FORUMS in another one of his blogs and said they are crap but he now posts on v7n? I don't get it here is proof http://smalllarge.com/blog/archives/9
You see he says evn there

Quote:

Most forums are haunted by childish fools who spend their days and nights answering carefully worded questions with: “well’ I don’t know anything at all about what your asking, but welcome to the forum. great to have you here!

he is one of a few people in the design industry bent on making the lives of other freelancers hard. Go on sticking up for him, everyone does anyway would not surprise me at all