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Calisonder · 04-30-2004, 03:45 PM

i'm sorry for posting this in the forum lobby, but i need a really quick responce

my neighbor has a "webpage", it's actually complete crap, somebody made it for her in microsoft frontpage, and she wants me to updated for her. Seeing as i write my own code, and upload it to a server using WS FTP or Dreamweaver, i'm am unexperienced with frontpage. She uses SBC webhosting, and has a username and password, she said that somewhere in frontpage (which i don't even have) there is a place to log in and connect to a server.

First of all, i assume that i can help her without front page, but how. I obviously know how to connect to a server with all the proper information, i.e. server name, log in, password, and all that, but i think for her hosting, it's something similar to Angelfire or Geocites, where you just log in.

Some one Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee Help, thanks a million

wbstein · 04-30-2004, 04:05 PM

create a new site in dreamweaver with the login information for her site.

then open dreamweaver and download all the files.
you SHOULD be able to edit the files and then just reupload them...

I actually sold a site like this today so I need to do the same thing. Should work . . .

Jazzee · 04-30-2004, 05:40 PM

*Moved to Web Design Lobby

Distorted · 04-30-2004, 08:55 PM

I'm not positive, but I believe that by uploading with anything but FP, it will instantly destroy any FP extensions her site might be using.

Not sure though.

Calisonder · 05-01-2004, 06:24 PM

thanks guys

wbstein · 05-01-2004, 08:54 PM

nah its working fine for me (FP SUCKS!)

Vivvy · 05-08-2004, 05:28 PM

Some very large web design companies use FP as their wysiwyg editor of choice...

It's about what you're used to....

Vivvy

robert adams · 05-08-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivvy

Some very large web design companies use FP as their wysiwyg editor of choice...

It's about what you're used to....

Vivvy

that is very true

but FP still sux :wink:

robert

DaveyBoy · 05-08-2004, 07:43 PM

What i hate about frontpage is that you can tell a site has been made using it, almost immediately, without even checking the code or anything.

wbstein · 05-08-2004, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivvy

Some very large web design companies use FP as their wysiwyg editor of choice...

It's about what you're used to....

Vivvy

Like who?

DaveyBoy · 05-08-2004, 08:06 PM

www.vivvy.com obviously

JuggoPop · 05-08-2004, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveyBoy

www.vivvy.com obviously

This should be good. I've seen debates online where she says you have to use WYSIWYG to be professional...

Leader of Men · 05-08-2004, 10:28 PM

I almost think the other way around...

DaveyBoy · 05-09-2004, 03:31 AM

There's a bloke i used to run a website with, who really believed that if you used a wysiwyg editor, you were 'cheating'. I was, at the time, just getting into using DW to save time and plus because I sucked at hand coding tables. It's not cheating, it's just saving yourself some time, you still need the design ideas, and the creativity etc.

At the end of the day, it doesn't make a difference which you use, except you can fine tune stuff better by hand coding. The statement that you HAVE to use an editor to be professional is just not true.

JuggoPop · 05-09-2004, 09:14 PM

I don't have DM (might get it in the future) and I do ok...
I'm sure it's faster if you know the software.

I just can't see frontpage as the same as dreamweaver.
and I can't see how anyone using a WYSIWYG program (of anytype) can make a site and slap it online without tweeking the code by hand afterward...

maybe it's just me.

DaveyBoy · 05-10-2004, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuggoPop

and I can't see how anyone using a WYSIWYG program (of anytype) can make a site and slap it online without tweeking the code by hand afterward...

maybe it's just me.

Yeah, just you mate.

I mean, i've done it before, sometimes there's no need once its created, to start fannying round with the code, if it displays perfectly how u want it, after using DW then why not leave it as is. If you're talking about the pride issue, then that's rather stupid, after all its creativity and design that people are going to care about, not some jumble in the source code.

PhilC · 05-10-2004, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuggoPop

I'm sure it's faster if you know the software.

Right on the point. Learning to code by hand or by using a WYSIWYG editor actually takes the same time.

I realised this, when I had to start coding by hand to take full advantage of CSS. ( I have always used Macromedia Dreamweaver to create a website, only needing to tweak the codes on some rare occasion. )

I beleive that people are just afraid of coding by hand. They just don't realise that learning to code by hand takes the same time as learning to use a software.

Me, I still prefer dreamweaver because I've got used to it.

By the way, you should try it, even if you are a hand coder. The dreamweaver's code editor is also real cool, if you do feel like hand coding.

I highly recommend it to everyone.

The most awesome feature that I love about the current version of dreamweaver is the ability to validate your code for nearly all the popular browsers out there ! So creating cross browser sites is a real breeze.

Check it out, but be aware that there is a learning curve.

imaginemn · 05-10-2004, 03:30 PM

I have worked on very BIG projects with several BIG clients like Cigna Behavioral Health, Carlson Companies, NBC, Fox and blah blah blah. What I have noticed that most of the programmers HATE tools like dreamweaver and Frontpage. Including myself.

I use Dreamweaver only for layout design when I need something really quick to show to a client. But when it's time to code a site Homesite (for debugging) and Notepad for me.

One thing that always comes up with big clients (good for my clients and bad for my pocket) is that they want to be able to maintain the content and not be billed for day to day stuff. What I have been suggesting is Macromedia Contribute 2. It's a scale down version of Dreamweaver without the high cost.

Here is a link to the product site:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/c...tribute_082403

The nice thing about this product is that it keeps the code in tact for the programmers and also has some source control so the user or the admin can roll back a change if needed.

Back to topic. I have also worked on several online projects where different programmers used different development tools and as long as you don't mess with the Frontpage extensions code you should be fine using Dreamweaver. The only good thing about FrontPage is that they add enough comments to their code so you should easily be able to know what is required by Frontpage.

Michael

PhilC · 05-10-2004, 04:41 PM

Important note : Macromedia Contribute 2 works best with templates created in Macromedia Dreamweaver MX 2004.

By the way imaginemn, if you like to handcode, how can you advise your client to use Contribute ... ? I ask, because contribute works best with dreamweaver templates ... do you even hand code the templates ... ? (No sarcasm intended)

DaveyBoy · 05-10-2004, 04:46 PM

cos he is probably just trying to help his client edit the content without getting their hands dirty in swamps of code.

it's not on, assuming he doesn't hand code.