Dmoz inclusion

[michaelj72]

that's why they call him (or her) "ranter". lol.

dmoz is still important to get into and gives a good shot in the arm to sites because it is an Authority website/directory, so it's worth a try. i've never seen such vitriol as in the past 4-6 months visiting forums and such against a directory or anything on the net. obvioulsy something isn't being done right if you ask me or at least that's how things are perceived.

[anonymously]

Originally Posted by michaelj72

. i've never seen such vitriol as in the past 4-6 months visiting forums and such against a directory or anything on the net. obvioulsy something isn't being done right if you ask me or at least that's how things are perceived.

We do refuse to list some sites, we also do not list the suggestions (usually from the webmaster) in good time often, can take years. But we are not a listing service, we build categories we are not just there to review the suggestions and list as many as possible, so webmasters wanting the boost you speak of get frustrated, but we are not there to try and boost them, we are there to try and build categories and editors can do that how they choose, the suggestions pool is one possible source. We are sorry if that upsets people, but it is how we operate. If anyone wants a different service, there are plenty of paid directories, free directories which only work on suggestions and of course anyone can start their own. At DMOZ we set out to build categories of sites with unique quality and an editor can use the means they wish. So suggesting a site will get you noticed, when an editor chooses to work on the submitted list for a particular category, but we can't say when that will be.

We also do run across the few editors who were found not upholding the high standards we demand and got themselves booted. Some ex-editors also did not like the way some decisions were taken had a spat and left. They are ususally not too happy with project. So yes there is some vitriol, sometimes a misunderstanding of what we are and how we operate, sometimes because we refuse to list a site and sometimes because we punished an editor and so they publicly try and run the project down.

Problem with being successful I guess.

[Birdie]

Originally Posted by michaelj72

. i've never seen such vitriol as in the past 4-6 months visiting forums

Did you not notice that all the vitriol is coming from one source? It only coming from webmasters who are wanting DMOZ to provide them with some sort of free listing service for their website. DMOZ is not there as a free listing service. So all these complaints are about a service that does not and will not exsit.

BTW: that vitriol has been going on for years, not just the last 6 months.

[ranter]

Originally Posted by anonymously

Problem with being successful I guess.

Am I missing something?
Who are you talking about?

[robertgallagher]

DMOZ is still not approved my site yet though i submitted my site before 9 to 10 months ago.

[alter-ego]

I think what would be more helpful information would be a link to your submitted site and an idea of exactly where and how you submitted to dmoz. There are so many posts about "I'm still not in" but that's simply too vague for anyone to form an educated opinion on anything other than your typical "dmoz sucks".

Why don't those of you who still haven't been listed give us a link to your site and some idea of exactly what and where you submitted to dmoz? Then maybe we can all form our own educated opinion rather than just responding to the regurgitated, generic and completely uninformative response of "I haven't gotten in yet and it's been xxxx days/months/years"?

The question I would ask all of you is what is it that makes you feel your site deserves to be listed in the first place?

PLEASE NOTE: I'm not trying to be an @ss but any response stating you haven't been listed is not helping anyone to understand why. There could be a number of reasons why you haven't been listed that you may have glossed over either prior or during the submission process; maybe discussing this instead of "I haven't gotten in yet" is far more constructive?

[ranter]

Originally Posted by alter-ego

The question I would ask all of you is what is it that makes you feel your site deserves to be listed in the first place?

Well it seems to me you have already gave us an answer even before somebody had chance to ask the question.

I will bet that this is the only answer any of us will get

Tell him Birdie

[alter-ego]

Originally Posted by ranter

Well it seems to me you have already gave us an answer even before somebody had chance to ask the question.

I will bet that this is the only answer any of us will get

Tell him Birdie

You lost me on that one, sorry.

I'm not a bandwagon jumper nor do I like to jump to snap decisions; I like to see both sides of the story for myself and form my own opinions.

[regalhome]

I have submitted rubbish sites before and they got it

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[ranter]

@Jim Noble, or anonymously, or alter-ego, or even you Birdie

While browsing DMOZ, I stumbled on something that left me with no doubts in my mind that your "UNIQUE" requirement is nothing more than piece of crap that you Editors are using to reject sites with vengeance. Or, you are so incompetent that "UNIQUE" concept happened to be total mystery to you and you have no idea what exactly that word is all about.

I'm talking about this site: likeumm.com listed in Computers: Internet: On the Web: Best of the Web: Top Lists

I hope either of you brighten up others member and me what is so unique about that site and why it listed. All I'm going to do is to tell you what is wrong with that site.

1. Internet has terminology that is applicable to this sort of sites, they called "Link Farms" and you Super Editors have listed a Poster Child of something even Google wouldn't recognize.
2. Site voting system that rates links as "Best sites on the we" based on open vote which can be abused by site owners at will. I can bet any of you that I will bring any site to the top or put in the bottom in less than one day, which make that directory voting system a joke.
3. Submission and rating forms hasn't working and never work as far as I know for at least 1 year now and many directories for the same reason rejected it but DMOZ geniuses of unique took it in with open arms.
4. Directory is Search Engines unfriendly. Move mouse over Titles and if you know what Search Engines unfriendly means, then you will understand what I'm talking about.

Now, would you like to tell people what is so unique about that site and why it's listed in DMOZ index?

[anonymously]

Originally Posted by ranter

Am I missing something?
Who are you talking about?

Ranter, do you ever read a context, for at least the second time you have taken a little of a post and tried to fry it.

In context, the comment was that DMOZ is successful, if it were not why would people want to discuss how to get in and why they have not been listed? In context I was discussing why we had acid thrown at us, by some individuals, and said that our success gave us some of those problems.

why it listed

If you have problems with any site please simply press the update button and make your comment, an editor will then look at it. Obviously your motives for not actually doing that, which is much easier than bringing the issue here, seem not to be to help the directory but to try and discredit it. Perhaps you have your own agenda.

[ranter]

Hey anonymously, first of all I don’t understand why are you complaining given that I’m the only one in this forum who is trying to discuss with you issues compare to other who are want to know why their sites still not listed. So, be happy you to have an opportunity to talk about something else for a change.

Originally Posted by anonymously

In context, the comment was that DMOZ is successful, if it were not why would people want to discuss how to get in and why they have not been listed?

Successful? I wouldn’t call it successful if you pay me. Known yes, but successful… gimme a break. Success generates admiration and DMOZ doesn’t. Yes people want to list their sites but only because they don’t know any better the same way they want to get to washroom when they need to go but not because they admire that place but because they want to deposit some waste and you my DMOZ friends are garbage collectors.

Originally Posted by anonymously

If you have problems with any site please simply press the update button and make your comment, an editor will then look at it. Obviously your motives for not actually doing that, which is much easier than bringing the issue here, seem not to be to help the directory but to try and discredit it. Perhaps you have your own agenda.

Damn right I have my agenda and I fully committed and have it in mind to discredit people who are hiding behind flashy words like “unique” and taken from senseless playbook of rules statements to insult hard working web developers, webmasters and site’s owners.

Have no doubts I’m not going to waste my time making reports to the wall about stupidity of your own colleges and instead I will bring up proofs of your editors incompetence to open forum to help people who don’t know yet what is real face of DMOZ to understand that they are loosing nothing but their time trying to submit to directory that have more rats than NY sewer system.

One stone at a time, Comrades Editors, one stone at a time.

[alter-ego]

Originally Posted by ranter

Successful? I wouldn’t call it successful if you pay me. Known yes, but successful… gimme a break. Success generates admiration and DMOZ doesn’t.

Didn't google use dmoz site descriptions when listing a website in the SERPS once upon a time? If that isn't the meaning of successful then I don't know what is?

As for the site you linked to I'd never heard of it but it sounded like a good idea to me. Look at alexa.com, it's pr0lly one of the most perverse site popularity rating systems out there yet it's rankings seem to count when determining site value. I'm actually more interested in the site you linked to instead of anything alexa has to say.

Honestly though this comment you made to me:

Originally Posted by ranter

Well it seems to me you have already gave us an answer even before somebody had chance to ask the question.

...seems more like a personal confession rather than a comment.

Personally I'm not pro or con dmoz because I just don't know enough to make an informed decision. While they did list my site in short order I'm not conclusively sure why they did? I've submitted my site to other directories which are either extremely slow to process or have ultimately decided not to list me as I'm sure we all have. Assuming this is the case then why is it dmoz lights such a fire under the butts of many?

The one thing I can assume about dmoz however is that being 100% human edited the workload is likely extremely heavy and any system such as this will probably have cracks in it. For every one site you find that you don't think should be listed I'd wager there's at least one or two that holds obvious value.

[anonymously]

Originally Posted by ranter

Hey anonymously, first of all I don’t understand why are you complaining given that I’m the only one in this forum who is trying to discuss with you issues compare to other who are want to know why their sites still not listed. So, be happy you to have an opportunity to talk about something else for a change.



Successful? I wouldn’t call it successful if you pay me. Known yes, but successful… gimme a break. Success generates admiration and DMOZ doesn’t. Yes people want to list their sites but only because they don’t know any better the same way they want to get to washroom when they need to go but not because they admire that place but because they want to deposit some waste and you my DMOZ friends are garbage collectors.



Damn right I have my agenda and I fully committed and have it in mind to discredit people who are hiding behind flashy words like “unique” and taken from senseless playbook of rules statements to insult hard working web developers, webmasters and site’s owners.

Have no doubts I’m not going to waste my time making reports to the wall about stupidity of your own colleges and instead I will bring up proofs of your editors incompetence to open forum to help people who don’t know yet what is real face of DMOZ to understand that they are loosing nothing but their time trying to submit to directory that have more rats than NY sewer system.

One stone at a time, Comrades Editors, one stone at a time.

I am happy to try and help people to understand what DMOZ is and perhaps more importantly what it is not and how it operates.

As I said in that earlier post, do you discuss those directories like The Best of The Web as much as DMOZ. No it is our success in being a bench mark for Google and others and for the way that hundreds of sites use our data, illegally and legally. That is real success.

You say you want to discredit us, but to whom I wonder? You don't discredit it to me and the average webmaster only wants to get his/her site listed on the largest directory that has high PR and internet cred, so they are not interested in your discrediting us. The average surfer or webmaster that uses our downloads has little interest, escept that they can use the best material for free.

You can perhaps make some flames and some unpleasantness and try and stop people on here getting good information about listings, time scales or applying to become an editor, but as far as I can see we seem to be able to help them and cope with your vitriolic outbursts. You can see from the comments alter-ego, who is not an editor as far as I can tell, has made that people can see you have an agenda and ignore you trying to discredit us. Seems to me you are wasting your finger ends typing, but if it gets it off your chest maybe that makes you feel a bit better and you don't upset others around you after venting your pent up anger on here. So be our guest.

[ranter]

Originally Posted by anonymously

I am happy to try and help people to understand what DMOZ is and perhaps more importantly what it is not and how it operates.

Woh, woh, hold your horses my man.
Google has been shown already how much it respects DMOZ when it pulled out from SERP your data and as to why it uses DMOZ… why not. After all they need to have something that made them compatible to Yahoo, which by the way uses it own Directory. Did I mention, no one uses Google Directory.

If you want to talk about hundreds of sites that use DMOZ data, then why don’t you tell us about why Google ignoring them? If DMOZ is such a success, then why all those new directories, thousands of them who could use DMOZ prefer to stay empty than to use DMOZ data?

As to high PR, you should know that being listed in DMOZ, or Yahoo, or BOTW, or AMRAY will benefit site with the same “1” backlink and nothing more than that. And as to why people want to be listed in your spam-infested directory, I will repeat it to you again: because they are don’t know any better and because they simply don’t realize that DMOZ is a legend of the past.

Why don’t we start talking about “unique” links in DMOZ index and help people whom you want to help, help together? I will bring to your attention links, and you will teach us all why editors included that link into DMOZ index and then we’ll talk about your famous Titles and Descriptions such as: Official Site, Company Information and many more.

Now is you chance to help people to understand. You can star with example I mentioned above. Tell us why for God’s love that link was added to DMOZ?

[anonymously]

Do get things off your chest Ranter. As I said before if you wish to report a site feel free to do so on the directory and it will be investigated. I have no intention of discussing actions of my colleagues with you however many posts you make inviting me to do so.

[blazin1]

I cannot get my site listed either. All my competitors with broken links or bad content are listed What is up with DMOZ?

[anonymously]

blazin1, we rely on people who view the directory to help us find problems like broken links, we do have some robotic tools of our own, so if you find broken links etc please advice us by using the update button. Updates are processed as quick as we can, but it does draw attention to the category and often an editor will look at the submissions at the same time.

We do work in our spare time for no cash, so it is unpredictable how long reviewing any single site in the submissions list will take. Can I just add again, that we do not set out to be a listing service, we try to make a directory that groups sites for the benefit of the end user. I know that is not what web masters want to hear, because they want their site listed, but it is how we work. Editors can use any resource they wish to build a category, sometimes the submissions lists will be helpful, sometimes in some categories they are almost entirely spam so editors use many resources, it is up to the editor. That's who we are and how we work.

We are always willing to accept new editors, choose a category, with between about 75-100 sites including any sub categories and be honest about ant affiliations, perhaps just be careful not to give the impression that you want to edit just to list your own site. Many applications are refused, but often some hints are given about the problem and so one can apply again.

More editors more sites listed.

[blazin1]

Originally Posted by anonymously

blazin1, we rely on people who view the directory to help us find problems like broken links, we do have some robotic tools of our own, so if you find broken links etc please advice us by using the update button. Updates are processed as quick as we can, but it does draw attention to the category and often an editor will look at the submissions at the same time.

We do work in our spare time for no cash, so it is unpredictable how long reviewing any single site in the submissions list will take. Can I just add again, that we do not set out to be a listing service, we try to make a directory that groups sites for the benefit of the end user. I know that is not what web masters want to hear, because they want their site listed, but it is how we work. Editors can use any resource they wish to build a category, sometimes the submissions lists will be helpful, sometimes in some categories they are almost entirely spam so editors use many resources, it is up to the editor. That's who we are and how we work.

We are always willing to accept new editors, choose a category, with between about 75-100 sites including any sub categories and be honest about ant affiliations, perhaps just be careful not to give the impression that you want to edit just to list your own site. Many applications are refused, but often some hints are given about the problem and so one can apply again.

More editors more sites listed.

Thanks for the information. I will see if I can point out the dead links I found the other day using the update button.


blazin1

[anonymously]

Thanks