DMOZ - Awaiting Review - Page 2

DragonEye · 01-03-2005, 12:00 AM

I waited for a year, but eventually i got indexed

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 03:09 AM

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I never stated any assertions or formulas on what would occur, I just stated 1 example of a page passing that same PR to a site. Maybe other pages pass twice the PR, or others could pass 0 PR, who knows really.

It simply not possible for that to happen. PageRank is based on a mathimatical eqaution what you suggest is simply not possible.

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 03:13 AM

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A side note Dave, you are rather gifted at making replies that are argumentative without actually using any of the content or logical path from the original post. Is this something that you have just picked up over years, or something that you went to school for?

I will continue to point-out blatently misleading statements. If you have a problem with that too bad for you.

It is silly suggestions that a DMOZ listing will somehow pass the same amount of PR as the page you submit to that compounds the spam problems DMOZ deals with. Statements like yours is one of the reasons Webmaster must wait a full year....or longer.

John Scott · 01-03-2005, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

I will continue to point-out blatently misleading statements. If you have a problem with that too bad for you.

Actually, it's too bad for you. You seem to be wanting to argue when you should be wanting to discuss.

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 04:36 AM

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Actually, it's too bad for you. You seem to be wanting to argue when you should be wanting to discuss.

...and the reason for this post is??

John Scott · 01-03-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

...and the reason for this post is??

It's a warning. Be polite to other members, Dave.

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 04:44 AM

It looked a lot like you were trying to argue. Warnings are normally done via PM. See how mistakes are made John

BTW, I give as good as I get so you should focus on the cause as apposed to the retort.

Rivux · 01-03-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

It is silly suggestions that a DMOZ listing will somehow pass the same amount of PR as the page you submit to that compounds the spam problems DMOZ deals with. Statements like yours is one of the reasons Webmaster must wait a full year....or longer.

Actually its not silly because that is what appeared to occur. 1 site, 1 link, same PR as the page that linked to it. I am not sure how it happened, or what reasons for it happening, but the facts are 1 link, same pr as that page.

mjm1905 · 01-03-2005, 12:00 PM

I was just looking for some insight on matters.

I think it is a valuable area to be indexed. There directory is imported to a lot of big Websites.

I guess I will keep checking back at the Dmoz forum. Do they notify you in the Forum when it is declined or accepted?

All that I saw when I visited was awaiting approval. As far as the editors not taking submissions, there has to be some who care about those whom submit a Website through their form.

With becoming an editor, I believe that I applied to that before. The problem with that is, I don't really have that much time to look through the posts. Additionally, becoming an editor just to get my site listed seems a bit misleading. Hopefully someone will review the site soon.

Thanks for all the feedback people. I think that one statement about, "re-submmitting is a bad idea," is true. I hate going through submissions myself for my personal site. I would imagine that is one way to really T-off a volunteer.

gorillaboy · 01-03-2005, 12:07 PM

All I can say is, "ENJOY THE WAIT!"

mjm1905 · 01-03-2005, 12:17 PM

Yeah, I'll wait. It's not the biggest deal in my life. Plus I feel that is where the site belongs.

Jim posted a reply in the DMOZ status forum. I guess they do interact through there.

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I got a relatively quick response, but it was a bit disapointing.
Not as disappointing as being declined though

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Makes me wonder if one of the people above are Jim Noble

... You never know who is reading what you post.

sundancerz · 01-03-2005, 12:27 PM

I believe one reason dmoz carries the weight ( as explained by Rivux) is that the dmoz directory helps google weed out the door pages, mirrors...etc.. Google is smart because they are getting the benefit of a huge number of editors (who help keep the mirrors/door pages/affiliates in check) and don't have to pay them a dime. Google has learned how to use the information on the web as tools and profit as secondary, which the other search engines...msn, yahoo etc. uses it as a their way to make profit as their main objective.
That's just how I see it...I could be wrong.

mjm1905 · 01-03-2005, 12:37 PM

I would love to find-out myself

but nobody has added my suggestion yet.

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 08:08 PM

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1 site, 1 link, same PR as the page that linked to it. I am not sure how it happened, or what reasons for it happening, but the facts are 1 link, same pr as that page.

That is correct. Whatever the reason, 1 link from a PR 5 page to a PR 0 page will not pass a PageRank of 5, it simply not possible. Just like 2+2 cannot equal 5.

mjm1905, yes a re-submission is the wrong way to go. All it does is go-over your original and place back on the bottom. So the DMOZ editors say.

Best thing is to submit and move onto the may other free link directories out there.

Rivux · 01-03-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

That is correct. Whatever the reason, 1 link from a PR 5 page to a PR 0 page will not pass a PageRank of 5, it simply not possible. Just like 2+2 cannot equal 5..

No but a link in the dmoz site means that your link will be syndicated out to other sites. Which is really the only other thing that explains having 1 link to a site (a dmoz link) and having that site have the same PR as the dmoz page. Like you said, the algorithm doesn't allow for an exact transfer of PR, but that was never the point of my original post or anyone elses posts, other then yours that is.

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 08:54 PM

But you stated a few times it was one link only. Here is one of the times "but the facts are 1 link, same pr as that page"

If you had been "syndicated out to other sites" it cannot be one link can it?

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but that was never the point of my original post or anyone elses posts, other then yours that is.

Let's be honest here Rivux, the "point" of your post was to try and give some evidence that a DMOZ link is worth more than a link from a like page.

Rivux · 01-03-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

Let's be honest here Rivux, the "point" of your post was to try and give some evidence that a DMOZ link is worth more than a link from a like page.

No it wasn't, the point was that a listing in dmoz was worth more then just the PR of the page its on, and subsequently, worth more then a similar link on another page of the same PR (because a link from dmoz will be syndicated out to other sites).

Dave Hawley · 01-03-2005, 09:07 PM

Come on Rivux, you stated a few times one link only and made that well known. As I have quoted you said "but the facts are 1 link, same pr as that page".

I guess you are simply not going to admit it though which sais a lot.

Rivux · 01-03-2005, 09:21 PM

haha, admit what? That 1 link in dmoz is worth more then a similar link on another site? Of course 1 link in dmoz is worth more because that link gets propogated out to other sites. Do you want me to draw you a diagram cuz you seem to be having problems understanding this.

RLRay · 01-03-2005, 10:06 PM

Dave was insistent earlier in this discussion that the additional links from the sites using DMOZ data didn't get counted, or were heavily discounted. Rivux's example clearly demonstrates that the additional links do count.