DMOZ - Awaiting Review

[Dave Hawley]

Rivux, YOU said: "but the facts are 1 link, same pr as that page" and that is totally false and you are even refusing to acknowlegde it. You can back-peddle as much as you like, but YOUR OWN words are there to be seen mate.

Rivux's example clearly demonstrates that the additional links do count.

Considering there are 1000's of downstream users of the ODP, and that the DMOZ page had PR5, I would say Rivux's example clearly demonstrates that they are discounted. I have seen many DMOZ editors posting that a DMOZ link is worth no more than any other like page.

Seems like some wont let the facts spoil a good story. However, if anyone can supply some proof that they are worth more I'm all ears. In absense of proof I'll take the common sense approach.

[RLRay]

Dave-

Your premise seems to be that a link from DMOZ doesn't count any more than any other link. That may or may not be true, as far as it goes, and it's not something that can be empirically tested, since the 1-10 PR range on the toolbar is an over-simplification of a page's real PR anyway.

But the point is that a link from DMOZ is that (as Rivux has demonstrated) a link from DMOZ isn't just a link from DMOZ; it's a link from Alexa, and also a link from the Google directory, and a link from about 4000 more directories. Discounted they surely are, but Rivux's example shows that they're not ignored, otherwise given his example, he couldn't have shown the level of PR that he did.

It's really not any more complicated than that. And my personal experience has been that the sites I have listed in DMOZ rose dramatically in the SERP's at Google, and that's proof enough for me that it's a link worth having. And even if that weren't enough proof for me, other webmasters I know who rank highly for some of the most competitive keywords on the web have told me that the link from DMOZ is the most important link they have.

And I don't think anyone said that the downstream weren't discounted, so I don't know who you're arguing with about that. Give me a discounted link from a PR 8 Google directory page any day; I'll gladly take it. And Rivux saying that the only link he had was from DMOZ is semantics.

[RLRay]

It's really very simple: your assertion was that a link from DMOZ wasn't any better than a link from a 'like' page anywhere else. That's not true, because a link from DMOZ also gets you several thousand backlinks from other directories, including Google's. Whether they're discounted or not, they still count, and that makes a link from DMOZ more powerful than a link from a 'like' page anywhere else.

[mjm1905]

I think it's way more valuable. I am not into the PR thing so strongly, but the DMOZ directory is everywhere. I think that is what Dave is trying to point out here. That one link in DMOZ gets scattered all over the internet, to sites using the DMOZ directory.

I read a post back there, it took a year to get in. That was good to read. I see a lot of negative posts saying to forget it. But I hope it's just a matter of time.

Does anyone honostly get good traffic from Google, without being in DMOZ?
By good traffic, I mean a really relavent keyword or phrase about your product or service, not something off the wall like, "Making Blue Cheese". I mean something strong like, "Cookbook".

[SVB]

Originally Posted by RLRay

Dave-

Your premise seems to be that a link from DMOZ doesn't count any more than any other link. That may or may not be true, as far as it goes, and it's not something that can be empirically tested, since the 1-10 PR range on the toolbar is an over-simplification of a page's real PR anyway.

But the point is that a link from DMOZ is that (as Rivux has demonstrated) a link from DMOZ isn't just a link from DMOZ; it's a link from Alexa, and also a link from the Google directory, and a link from about 4000 more directories. Discounted they surely are, but Rivux's example shows that they're not ignored, otherwise given his example, he couldn't have shown the level of PR that he did.

It's really not any more complicated than that. And my personal experience has been that the sites I have listed in DMOZ rose dramatically in the SERP's at Google, and that's proof enough for me that it's a link worth having. And even if that weren't enough proof for me, other webmasters I know who rank highly for some of the most competitive keywords on the web have told me that the link from DMOZ is the most important link they have.

And I don't think anyone said that the downstream weren't discounted, so I don't know who you're arguing with about that. Give me a discounted link from a PR 8 Google directory page any day; I'll gladly take it. And Rivux saying that the only link he had was from DMOZ is semantics.

Where are these 4000 directories?
I got into Dmoz within 1 hour of submitting my site. The only other places Ive seen it get into as a result of this is Google Directory.......

[funguru]

after 1 year i finally got in DMOZ and today when i tried to check the link i am getting a 404 error ... i cant belive it.. check it out
http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/India/...nomy/Shopping/

[se4b4ss]

Originally Posted by funguru

after 1 year i finally got in DMOZ and today when i tried to check the link i am getting a 404 error ... i cant belive it.. check it out
http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/India/...nomy/Shopping/

working for me

[funguru]

Originally Posted by se4b4ss

working for me

its funny coz i am still getting that page.. i guess i have a bug in my comp

[gorillaboy]

You have to click the link.

You can't cut and paste because it's truncated.

[RLRay]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley

Where are these 4000 directories?
I got into Dmoz within 1 hour of submitting my site. The only other places Ive seen it get into as a result of this is Google Directory.......

A Google search for "Directory listings are provided by Open Directory" should bring up quite a few. Be sure to include the quotes.

Alexa is one of the more notable ones.

[sundancerz]

Where are these 4000 directories?

Here's some.

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/S...ull-index.html

[Dave Hawley]

Discounted they surely are...

Yes, that is pretty much what I have said, see below.

The number is above 1000 from what I can tell. I already have over 1000 links from DMOZ and downstream users and they don't come close to 1000 links from 1000 different on-topic sites.

Do you really think Google would pass any DMOZ benefit 1000 times over????

My other posts, after this, was pointing out that it is impossible for one page of PR5 to pass PR5 to another page.

your assertion was that a link from DMOZ wasn't any better than a link from a 'like' page anywhere else. That's not true, because a link from DMOZ also gets you several thousand backlinks from other directories, including Google's.

A "like" page means a "Like" page. If you wish to use the "power" (for want of a better word) of the other 4000 (apparently) pages you would then have to compare it with another 4000 "like" pages of the same PR. I know full well which would pass more PR, traffic and link popularity, don't you?

I also do not really believe the PR from all 4000 pges is discounted as this would again contradict Google's PR eqaution. To me it would be logical to perhaps pass PR from only a few (e.g DMOZ,Google directory and Alexa) of the 4000 pages you end-up on.


As I keep saying, this myth (that continues to perpetuate) that a DMOZ link is somehow a "silver bullet" is totally unfounded and it one of the main reasons Webmasters are having to wait so long.

[mjm1905]

There are a lot of sites looking for status questions. I just posted there the other day, and my post is already five pages deep. I wonder how many editors there are to process these submissions. That blows my mind. The forums only include the sites that wondering about their status. There are probably hundreds more that don't even know about that area of the site.

Been checking everyday. Still nothing yet...

[gorillaboy]

<little birdie>

re-submit!

</little birdie>

[mjm1905]

Originally Posted by gorillaboy

<little birdie>

re-submit!

</little birdie>

Are you affiliated with DMOZ?

Don't want to be a pest to the editors, as I am sure many people are with suggestions. I dont know how their process works, other than it is volunteers that edit the Directory. Nothing would be more annoying than seeing my Site multiple times. Besides, I am not honostly sure how many times I did submit to the Open Directory Project.

If I get in great, if not, i'll try again in six months.

I read a post that said, "if you see the Become an Editor box in a category, there is nobody currently editing that section of the site". I do see that on the Category that I suggested my Website. Is that statement ture?

It's amazing how much debate occured in this topic .

[Dave Hawley]

I have been told by DMOZ editors that re-submitting is one sure way to go back to the bottom of the pile. Basically, your new submission will replace your old one.

The best approach is submit, forget, move on.

[gorillaboy]

Not to the same category.

Christ, they (DMOZ) used to say to re-submit after one month. Obviously things have changed. But I wouldn't wait longer than 6 - 8 months.

I usually like to get things done as quickly as possible.

[Dave Hawley]

Not to the same category. .

You mean spam them? Not a good idea.

Christ, they (DMOZ) used to say to re-submit after one month. Obviously things have changed. But I wouldn't wait longer than 6 - 8 months.

I usually like to get things done as quickly as possible.

Me too. Unfortunately likes and reality can often be miles apart. There is no useful choice other than to wait.

[donaldb]

I think there are two separate issues here. Don't confuse ODP guidelines with Resource Zone procedure. Remember too that the Resource Zone is not the official mouth piece for the ODP. It's just a forum that is run by some ODP editors to help answer some questions that people might have.

I don't think that any editor would ever tell you to resubmit - ever! Don't submit to another category. That will most likely just slow down the process for you, as the editor will end up having to just send it over to the appropriate category where it will most likely sit at the bottom on the pile once again. Once you submit, just go on with your life and forget about it.

On the Resource Zone forum we ask people to submit their status requests one month after they have used the suggest a site form on dmoz.org. We then ask that you don't ask for another status update for another 6 months. But if you have asked for a status update request and it has slipped down the page without being replied to within a few days, then feel free to bump the thread and bring it back to the top. We have no problem with that - we actually encourage that. Threads do slip by, and there are only so many editors who participate on the forum who can answer them.

[gorillaboy]

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