DMOZ - Awaiting Review

[Dave Hawley]

Yes, re-submitting to another category is "CONJECTURE"

[donaldb]

Originally Posted by gorillaboy

Word of the day:

CONJECTURE

Ok, I'll bite. What are you talking about? Who's conjecturing about what?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=CONJECTURE

con·jec·ture n.

1. Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork: The commentators made various conjectures about the outcome of the next election.

[RLRay]

Dave is correct. The best policy is to submit once and move on.

Before submitting, spend some time reading through the DMOZ Editing Policies. If your site doesn't qualify for inclusion, don't even bother submitting it. You'll just be wasting your time and the editor's.

If your site does qualify for inclusion, be sure to write a guidelines-compliant title and description. This is just about the only thing you can do to speed up the editorial process, and it's no guarantee.

[Johan007]

Originally Posted by http://www.google.com/technology/

PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web .

Dmoz is just one link and not a cheat on the above statement. Its not a "magic bullet"... Get over it and spend your time getting other links!

[G10]

Dmoz can be very difficult to get listed in and as Johan said, submit and carry on with getting other links.

If you get in, all well and good but they must be very short staffed as I submitted my site a long time ago and haven't had a review. I suppose it's better than a refusal. :-)

Good luck.

[growler]

The actual paid staff is less than 10, and that's mostly for hardware support. So don't think of short staffed, it's lack of qualified volunteers. It does take a special kind of person who is willing to review all those sites - especially Shopping - which is subject to so much spam.

Assuming you mean Shopping/Clothing/Casual/T-Shirts - looks like no one is interested right now in editing too much. However your site was submited the first time with the wrong URL - an editor tracked it down and fixed it. Then at least five more submissions were received, and deleted. Probably you made other multiple submissions that the system would have automatically deleted, pushing your site down the list of unreviewed - assuming the editor was reviewing in date order - that probably did not help.

This should make you aware that a lot of editors time is spent with mundane clerical activities, my guess is I spend less than a quarter of my time actually reviewing sites, it's mostly doing clean up, removing duplicates, shifting to the proper category, etc.

[G10]

Thanks growler

I don't want to turn this into a personal thread for me but it helps to know that. :-)

I had someone here for a while who was trying to promote our site a while ago and he submitted a few times to dmoz claiming that he knew what he was doing.

After doing some homework on SEO, I decided to let him go as not only was he peeing me off but it seems he was peeing others off also, including dmoz.

I have probably learnt more from the guys on this forum than he will probably ever know.

I will wait patiently.

Thanks again for your time dude.

[growler]

I have probably learnt more from the guys on this forum than he will probably ever know. LOL <G>

Like the SEO company who called my wife the other day to promote her site. She handed the guy over to me, and after hearing his marketing about how they were going to get her sites listed high in all the search engines, I asked him about ODP - He didn't know what it was, had never heard of the Open Directory Project or DMOZ - duh!

[Johan007]

A dmoz listing is not a magic bullet and is more or less the same as a link from any other site with the same PR.

Dmoz editors don’t have to look at submissions if they don’t want too (though as an editor myself I review sites in less than 1 week but for other categories like design it can take years/months).

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by growler

I have probably learnt more from the guys on this forum than he will probably ever know. LOL <G>

Like the SEO company who called my wife the other day to promote her site. She handed the guy over to me, and after hearing his marketing about how they were going to get her sites listed high in all the search engines, I asked him about ODP - He didn't know what it was, had never heard of the Open Directory Project or DMOZ - duh!

You recall the name of the company? Would be interesting to know. ... But then I've talked to telemarketing SEO's who've never heard of Google. They sound like they are just reading off some 5-year old cheat sheet with "AltaVista is the bomb" written at the top.

[growler]

No - after I questioned his companies ability and knowledge and asked a few more questions that he was unable to answer, he swore at me and hung up.

[mjm1905]

Originally Posted by RLRay

Dave is correct. The best policy is to submit once and move on.

Before submitting, spend some time reading through the DMOZ Editing Policies. If your site doesn't qualify for inclusion, don't even bother submitting it. You'll just be wasting your time and the editor's.

If your site does qualify for inclusion, be sure to write a guidelines-compliant title and description. This is just about the only thing you can do to speed up the editorial process, and it's no guarantee.

Thanks for the suggestion RLRay.

I couldn't even begine to imagine what I submitted for the descirption and title. I generally try to be concise. I am a bit confused still with proceeding. I guess I wll submit a forum request again.

I know some of you are, and some of you are claiming to be, editors in Dmoz. From what I am getting, resubmitting the same url, which I am believe I did, will over-right the past submission and bump the suggestion back to the bottom of the Que? Am I understanding this right?

About the lack of editors, I tried volunteering once. No-go though. Got turned down for being an editor.

Thanks for the feedback from everyone. I am going to shoot over to the forum there and post an inquiry.

[adrenalinepcs]

well i've applied three times... and got turned down. but they say you can submit a new application immediately after you are denied.

the problem for me was finding two or three useful sites to add that all go in the same category.

[growler]

Resubmitting may or may not overwrite the previous submission - it depends on a number of things.

#1 If it overwrites it and the editor works in time order, (some editors never do, some always do, it's totally unpredicatable) then you moved to the end of the line. In some cases, depending on the category, how often you resubmit, the number of new submitted sites and how fast the editor works, this could mean the site will never get reviewed - while all other sites do get reviewed.

#2 The other possibility is there are two or more copies of the site in the category. If the editor periodically weeds out duplicates then it's unpredicatable which one gets removed, though some editors try to remove the earlier one - giving the same result as in #1. If the editor just works throught the categroy, without removing duplicates, then the first one he runs into gets reviewed and the second eventually gets deleted if the first one was accepted.

[Ferre]

Every site I applied for got submitted, but I am not happy at all with the editor of the religion sections who is a dicriminative idiot who moved a religious site to the "drugs" catagory only because this moron doesn't understand what the f*k he's doing and only understands religion if it's comparible to his own beliefs.

I emailed him as this move in fact is an insult but never got any answer. Needless to say I wish the dude to become impotent or something similar.

[mjm1905]

yeah, i'm trying to keep it on the back-burner. Looks like less time passed then I thought. Not many places you can post and be listed on that many sites.

One thing I found interesting. In the Forum, they created an area for the shopping cat. I think I read in here about it getting a lot of spam submissions. I guess that would play a big role in it too. The editor probably gets sick of reading suggestions if most of them are what is considered spam to dmoz.

[FGTH]

DMOZ is really short-staffed and thus ineffective...

The idea of having human editors review each submission is out-dated and ineffective for the sheer volume of new sites and changes appearing constantly.

The concept isn't scalable from a business standpoint; perhaps that's why Google dumped them a while back.

I've given up on DMOZ. I submit and move on not even bothering to check anymore. And when I did check (every six months), the editors seem really senstive, even to the point of displaying "hissy fits", and said to check back in another six months...

[Birdie]

>perhaps that's why Google dumped them a while back

Where did you get that from? The opposite is the case!! Have you not noticed how often Google is using the DMOZ description in the search results.

>I submit and move on

That we can agree on..

[growler]

FGTH - it's just the editors were not happy with you spamming the directory with related sites and trying to insist they were not related. Your questions about other sites were answered without problems.

[kdasilva]

I have submitted my site and I was told by an editor that he would not go to my site becuase it had flash. I did not think this was a big deal but I guess it is