Is DMOZ corrupt? - Page 2

John Scott · 06-26-2007, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EBORG9

Is there anyone here who has all of their sites listed that still thinks it's corrupt?

Corrupt? I don't know about that, but definitely less than transparent.

Brent Moeller · 06-26-2007, 09:24 AM

I use to be an editor for Dmoz. They catagory i enforced was a category you would think that would get 3 sites submitted a year. I would say i approved 1 out of 5000 links that was submitted. There was an average of 5-10 thousand links submitted to the category every 48 hours.
It takes an average of 5 to 10 minutes to research a single domain submitted before you approve it or dismiss it.

EBORG9 · 06-26-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent Moeller

I use to be an editor for Dmoz. They catagory i enforced was a category you would think that would get 3 sites submitted a year. I would say i approved 1 out of 5000 links that was submitted. There was an average of 5-10 thousand links submitted to the category every 48 hours.
It takes an average of 5 to 10 minutes to research a single domain submitted before you approve it or dismiss it.

I would imagine it's mostly spam, splogs, and suck ass sites, is that correct?

Brent Moeller · 06-26-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EBORG9

I would imagine it's mostly spam, splogs, and suck ass sites, is that correct?

That pretty much boils it down.

Spam will be the death of dmoz, as it's already close to putting the site to sleep.

Dmoz has bit of more than it can chew without a doubt.

Imagine how stupid this is. Dmoz logs ips on submission. If a bot or a person submits multiple domains its considered spam and every site submitted with that ip gets tossed in the trash for the editor to never see.
The ip will stay in the trash bin for 6 months before its released, and every site submitted under that ip will get trashed .
So in other if you submit to dmoz using one of these thousands of hot ip's, and its possible, then your site is doomed instantly.

janhvizdak · 06-26-2007, 10:13 AM

Why do people think that every site must be listed in dmoz?

Do quality, you will get what you deserve. I know what I am talking about.

rankland · 06-26-2007, 10:26 AM

When you have a company in the stock market with over 500 dollars a share dont you think someone would have already found something curupt with that company.

They played the game, and certainly one the lottery ticket when they built there search.

EBORG9 · 06-26-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent Moeller

That pretty much boils it down.

Spam will be the death of dmoz, as it's already close to putting the site to sleep.

Dmoz has bit of more than it can chew without a doubt.

Imagine how stupid this is. Dmoz logs ips on submission. If a bot or a person submits multiple domains its considered spam and every site submitted with that ip gets tossed in the trash for the editor to never see.
The ip will stay in the trash bin for 6 months before its released, and every site submitted under that ip will get trashed .
So in other if you submit to dmoz using one of these thousands of hot ip's, and its possible, then your site is doomed instantly.

So using that logic, if you are on a hub, with high speed access, and someone on your hub has committed an infraction...you are screwed?

ramanean · 06-26-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EBORG9

So using that logic, if you are on a hub, with high speed access, and someone on your hub has committed an infraction...you are screwed?

yes !

It is stupid to ban ip addresses as some like me have different ip addresses each time I log on using my Internet connection!

factoring · 06-26-2007, 11:08 PM

I submitted my site to dmoz but received an email back stating that I was a lead generator for a competitor and I could not be listed. That doesn't make sense because I am a broker.

Birdie · 06-27-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by factoring

That doesn't make sense because I am a broker.

DMOZ dosen't list them either.

factoring · 06-27-2007, 06:26 PM

I am a structured settlement factoring broker. This section is factoring brokers:
http://www.dmoz.org/Business/Financi...oring/Brokers/

mauiman · 06-27-2007, 09:18 PM

Having tried to keep up with 200 free link submissions each and every day for just a few weeks with my general directory I have some idea of just how hard it might be to handle the loads of listings and other crap the volunteer DMOZ editors must have to wade through every day.

I suppose with thousands of inbound links editors get pretty quick to pull the "reject" lever. I also suspect they, like most humans, are more willing to review and accept listings from people they know. I do not however suspect they accept payments or favors in return. Sure maybe a bad apple has, but I just have a hard time believing they're doing anything like a politician might do, if you know what I mean.

I waded through some categories earlier today and was surprised at how many categories had "help wanted" signs out for volunteer editors. Unfortunately when I clicked the page wouldn;t come up, but I plan on jumping in and contributing for awhile in one of the Parenting sub-categories if they'll have me.

Cheers

chicgeek · 06-27-2007, 09:19 PM

Err... I think I'm going to merge this with the existing conversation, as it's a response.

css25 · 06-27-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick

Is it just me or is DMOZ now corrupt?

I have submitted all of my sites to DMOZ, and not one has been accepted. This is over a year and half ago. I heard there are now corrupt editors that are now not accepting competitive websites.

It Seems I could get struck by lightening before I get listed in DMOZ.

What do you think?

DMOZ is not corrupt. However, some of DMOZ editor are corrupted

That is why I never bother to re-submit my website to DMOZ ever again

Futo · 07-01-2007, 12:55 AM

DMOZ reminds me of a car that has run out of petrol

viswablr · 07-03-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by akc9000

As a former DMOZ editor I can tell you it is not corruption but rather a lack of caring. If you were not paid, and you had 10,000 submission to review what would you do? And yes, if it directly competes with them, you do not get listed.

I applied to be an editor. That request got rejected too, with some funny explanations! If the number of submissions are huge, they need to induct more volunteers also ..

Adrian Adnes · 06-23-2008, 04:42 AM

Yes -it's a submit and forget system but it's a system that also prides itself on being neutral and (laughably as far as we can see) human edited - that being 'better than robots'...

I guess the infereence from DMoz is that someone will actually look at your site and make an informed decision as to inclusion/quality etc. Sadly a number of sites we set up to test this show that in certain categories the index page of the site was visited for er.... about 20 secs. and no links were followed to examine the site.

The quality of the home pages was good - and we can't really see a reason why anyone would visit for less thatn 30 seconds other than to be able to say that they visited and checked it out.... ie they just ticked the box that keeps them in as an editor.

Being an 'editor' does somewhat carry the notion that some genuine assessment of sites is going on. But it demonstrably isn't, and sites that we know are linked to each other socially do tend to figure in the Directory.
The inference from that is clear.

Remember also that DMOZ is 'faceless' ..... there's no-one there to take responsibiity.. well not really anyway. So there's no point in complaining. It's the sort of organisation Franz Kafka would have dreamt up.

The only worry is that any respectable search engine would give weight to Dmoz given the state it's in.
The good news is that if it can't gt its house in order it will (and already has) lose crediblity.

Dmoz..... great idea... too bad you let yourself get ruined.

Meanwhile.... up the revolution!

sniperhiga · 06-24-2008, 09:45 AM

Just make DMOZ little more commercial... I think it is a time to place real ads in directory.

Jonathan_Hue · 06-24-2008, 10:26 AM

My link got approved in 5 months. Thats the quickest i think! Agree that its a submit and forget directory (as like any other...)

intech · 06-24-2008, 10:30 AM

Never mind whether it's corrupt or not, it just seems like it's become a waste. If they can't keep up with the workload, then they're not listing some very good websites. Also, since it's edited by volunteers, it's subject to arbitrary inclusion and exclusion of sites based on whatever criteria each volunteer wants to use. Therefore, it's incomplete, outdated, and capricious.

Given everything that has been said about it, why should it still be so respected by Google?