Do you trust DMOZ? - Page 3

Birdie · 03-06-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gridsix

My biggest issue is the complete crawl that their approval process is at... time was you could submit a site and have it show up a few months later... i've been submitting quality sites the past few years and haven't seen any of them in the dmoz.

You have DMOZ confused with a submission processing servicing. DMOZ does not provide that service. Editors are under no obligation to even look at the pool of suggested sites when looking for sites to build a category.

gridsix · 03-06-2008, 11:40 AM

I fully understand that and do not have the dmoz confused with anything; i've been using it for years now.

gridsix · 03-06-2008, 11:55 AM

So the new point is that when a directory becomes nothing more than an outdated list of older sites, it will no longer become as useful as it once was.

x3mario · 03-06-2008, 12:31 PM

I remember that I submitted my site 7 months ago and until now no result on what happen.

potchie · 03-06-2008, 01:42 PM

I have same experience with you.

Birdie · 03-06-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gridsix

I fully understand that and do not have the dmoz confused with anything; i've been using it for years now.

If you do not have it confused with something else then why are you whining about DMOZ lack of submission processing service? DMOZ does not offer that service.

**John Scott** · 03-06-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Birdie

If you do not have it confused with something else then why are you whining about DMOZ lack of submission processing service? DMOZ does not offer that service.

If DMOZ doesn't process submissions, why take them in the first place?

gridsix · 03-06-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by John Scott

If DMOZ doesn't process submissions, why take them in the first place?

Well said.

Birdie · 03-07-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by John Scott

If DMOZ doesn't process submissions, why take them in the first place?

I don't know. The period of greastest growth in DMOZ was ~18 months ago when the suggest a site would not work.

A DMOZ editor uses many sources to find new sites to build a category. The "suggest a site" (and that is all it is) is just one of many. It is also the worse way to find new sites.

mit · 03-07-2008, 02:30 AM

They are very slow in submissions, that's why I don't like DMOZ, human-edited.

Birdie · 03-07-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mit

They are very slow in submissions, that's why I don't like DMOZ, human-edited.

Of course they are, because thats not what they are there for! An editor is there to build a category. Some editors do not even bother to look at the pool of suggested sites as they are the worse source of new sites.

If you do not like the service that you are getting, then ask for a refund.

mit · 03-07-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdie

If you do not like the service that you are getting, then ask for a refund.

Refund??

gridsix · 03-07-2008, 07:36 AM

I think birdie was being sarcastic...

Birdie · 03-07-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gridsix

I think birdie was being sarcastic...

Off course... I just fail to see the rationale behind all the whining about a free service that webmasters somehow think they are owed by DMOZ.

gridsix · 03-07-2008, 03:53 PM

I don't know that i'd call it 'whining;' it's a legitimate discussion about a very important directory that used to accept new links, which are critical to their purpose.

Do you have some sort of affiliation with the DMOZ?

**John Scott** · 03-07-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Birdie

Off course... I just fail to see the rationale behind all the whining about a free service that webmasters somehow think they are owed by DMOZ.

Characterizing it as "whining" isn't really smart. DMOZ does that all the time, but the fact is that it's a legitimate complaint. DMOZ's own propaganda sets it up for the criticism. The "Republic of the Web" and the "Definitive Catalog of the Web" and the "You Can Make a Difference" - all that flies in the face of reality and opens up DMOZ to criticism.

You should change that. Just change it to say "we're closed for submissions. We don't want submissions. We don't want any external input. Leave us alone."

Then nobody could complain.

Birdie · 03-07-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gridsix

that used to accept new links

It still does

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Do you have some sort of affiliation with the DMOZ?

Used to be an editor.

All the compliants about DMOZ are from webmasters who want a free listing. DMOZ is not there to provide a free listing service. Its there to build a directory of resources for visitors. Plenty of other directories provide listing services.

**John Scott** · 03-07-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Birdie

All the compliants about DMOZ are from webmasters who want a free listing.

Ad hominen fallacy.

Some people criticize DMOZ because they think it's not lived up to its potential.

Birdie · 03-07-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John Scott

You should change that. Just change it to say "we're closed for submissions. We don't want submissions. We don't want any external input. Leave us alone."

I would be happy if that happened. But suggested sites are still a source of ~50% of the new sites that are listed.

The problem comes from webmasters who see the 'suggest a url' as some sort of submission processing and listing service for them, when its not. It just one other way to bring a URL to an editors attention.

Its just one of perception. DMOZ is there for one purpose. Webmasters want to use it for another purpose. Then complaint when the "purposes" are in conflict

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Then nobody could complain.

Doubt it; I think the complaints would go up.

Birdie · 03-07-2008, 04:08 PM

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Some people criticize DMOZ because they think it's not lived up to its potential.

DMOZ has been pretty consistently listing in the region of ~2000 sites a month. I guess the www is growing by greater than 2000 useful sites (and probably a lot more of non-useful sites).....as long as the www grows by >2000 useful sites a month, DMOZ will never live up to its potential.