How 2 get listed in DMOZ

[gfriedm1]

maybe if DMOZ had a little more communication with web masters it would be better. the reason people are repetetively submitting their sites is because no one knows if their site was included or rejected. there is no way to check the status of a submitted domain. DMOZ should at the VERY least be sending confirm and rejection notices. this would not take any more effort, the whole thing could be automated.

i submitted my site about 4 months ago. do not see it listed and have not heard back from anyone. if we see so many flaws in DMOZ, why does Google love it so much?

[PaulX]

Some DMOZ editors have tried this kind of communication at Resource Zone and it was decided that the whole communication had no use for DMOZ nor for the people asking. There were more webmasters upset after recieving an answer than there were before and after the submission status was available.

After you suggest your site there are 3 possibilities
1) it is listed
2) it is waiting review
3) it is rejected
Ask yourself the question what would you do in each of these 3 situations. The answer should be the same for all 3.

DMOZ not communicating with webmasters is not a flaw it is intended. Ofcourse editors are free to communicate with webmasters as much as they want, although with these communications we are bound by a few guidelines (we are not allowed to give certain internal or private information).

[tantantin]

Simple. Then why do you guys posts in other forums. Be realistic. If you really do wanna help then help. I did try to be honest with some who posts here and I say their site is crap and cannot be listed and they have to improve it. Those are the typical lame excuses. Most webmasters think their site is incredibly good and original but who's gonna give an honest opinion.

[PaulX]

For DMOZ editors no site is crap. Some sites are just not compatible with DMOZ guidelines and as a result will not be listed. Those guidelines are available for everyone to read. The experience of many longtime editors has learned us that a site that is not listable can almost never be changed to become listable. Our experience thought us also that for genuine companies there is no need to be afraid of not being listable (the company itself is the unique content we are looking for). The people that should be realy afraid that their sites are not listable are the people DMOZ has no intention to help in any way.

So for all of you who have real companies don't worry your site will most probably be listed (check out DMOZ guidelines yourself). But as a result of the enormous amount of junk we receive it can take a long time. We can not seperate the real sites from these junk sites just by looking at the url, title and descriptions so we must look at them all. Just to give an impression of the amount of junk we receive: at the moment we only list around 10% of all suggested sites the other 90% are rejected. In some categories the percentage is even higher and most editors don't want to review site in these categories anymore.

[gfriedm1]

PaulX,

I guess this is where i am confused. my site used to be listed in DMOZ and someone who worked at my company was an editor. when he resigned from being an editor my site went too. now i have not been able to get it back up there. nothing has changed on the site since it has been dropped? how do i fix this problem?

Also really appreciate you taking the time to answer our DMOZ questions. it seems like a rather confusing system that could benefit from much improvement.

[tantantin]

Originally posted by PaulX
For DMOZ editors no site is crap.

Oh, PaulX don't dare me on that one cause I still have a record of that piece from Internal Forum.

Those guidelines are available for everyone to read.

Even the Metas and Admins don't follow that guidelines. They twist and circumvent it. The internal forums has even a meta saying not to follow the guidelines.

Our experience thought us also that for genuine companies there is no need to be afraid of not being listable (the company itself is the unique content we are looking for).

So beside DMOZ you tell me everyone is working at DAT.GOV in US or SEC. to investigate a genuine company?

And please forget about the RZ. That is a biased Forum. By the way do you know somebody who posted this inside RZ? It's about DP.

the whole forum is totally biased [note that it's owned by an ODP editor]

Just asking

[PaulX]

Originally Posted by gfriedm1

PaulX,

I guess this is where i am confused. my site used to be listed in DMOZ and someone who worked at my company was an editor. when he resigned from being an editor my site went too. now i have not been able to get it back up there. nothing has changed on the site since it has been dropped? how do i fix this problem?

If you post or PM me the url I will look to see what happened.
It wasn't one of the 2 sites in your signature, they have never been listed.

Originally Posted by gfriedm1

Also really appreciate you taking the time to answer our DMOZ questions. it seems like a rather confusing system that could benefit from much improvement.

The confusion is mostly created by the fact that people seem to think DMOZ is a tool to promote their websites as many other directories claim to be. DMOZ is not, has never been, never will be and doesn't want to be a tool to promote websites. DMOZ builds the directory with the visitor in mind.
Most proposed improvements I have seen are focused on the interaction with webmasters but DMOZ is only interested in improvements focused on either the visitor / user or on the editors.

[PaulX]

Originally Posted by tantantin

Oh, PaulX don't dare me on that one cause I still have a record of that piece from Internal Forum.

There can be a big difference between DMOZ's opinion and the personal opinion an editor has. The editor may have a personal opinion but when editing he has to follow DMOZ guidelines and not let his own opinion have any influence. Editors who are not capable to seperate their own opinion from their editing most probably at one time will lose their editor rights.

Originally Posted by tantantin

Even the Metas and Admins don't follow that guidelines. They twist and circumvent it. The internal forums has even a meta saying not to follow the guidelines.

I have never seen such a posting.

Originally Posted by tantantin

So beside DMOZ you tell me everyone is working at DAT.GOV in US or SEC. to investigate a genuine company?

I don't understand what you mean with this sentence.

Originally Posted by tantantin

And please forget about the RZ. That is a biased Forum.

As are many of the other forums.

Originally Posted by tantantin

By the way do you know somebody who posted this inside RZ? It's about DP.

I know who posted it (although I had to look for the posting to find out).
I'm just wondering how you know about that posting.

[Richie_Ni]

Originally Posted by PaulX

After suggesting a site to DMOZ you will not get a response. Not when the site is listed (you can see yourself) and not when it is rejected (you could know by studying the guidelines).
If you suggest a site many times a few things can happen
1) you suggested the site to the same category
result: the suggestion overwrites the older suggestion and does by so reset the suggestiondate, if an editor reviews suggestions by date you have just moved yourself to the back of his queue (there are other ways of sorting suggested sites so maybe you are lucky and the editor is not using the suggestiondate).
2) you suggest to different categories: do this enough times and you could be marked as a spammer and you and all of your sites could be banned

As could be read on http://dmoz.org/add.html (which DMOZ asks you to read and to confirm that you have done so)


So please stop suggesting your site over and over again.

*SCARED*
I just submitted 2 times,hope that i won't be marked as a sapmmer.Thanks,Paul

[PaulX]

Originally Posted by Richie_Ni

*SCARED*
I just submitted 2 times,hope that i won't be marked as a sapmmer.Thanks,Paul

Don't be scared. 2 is certainly not many and won't get you in any problem with DMOZ.

[tantantin]

Originally posted by PaulX
There can be a big difference between DMOZ's opinion and the personal opinion an editor has. The editor may have a personal opinion but when editing he has to follow DMOZ guidelines and not let his own opinion have any influence.

Editors who are not capable to seperate their own opinion from their editing most probably at one time will lose their editor rights.

Paul I shall take your word for this. We'll discuss this later. This is HOT.

I have never seen such a posting.

How's Orlady doing and KCTipton these days.

I don't understand what you mean with this sentence.

DAT. Department of Assesment and Taxation.
SEC. Securities and Exchange Commission.

As are many of the other forums.

How you like V7N so far ? Any reds lately ? Any postings deleted lately ? If I post like this in RZ do you think It Will Survive for 3 minutes ?

I know who posted it (although I had to look for the posting to find out).

PaulX don't look, close your eyes and feel it.

I'm just wondering how you know about that posting.

PaulX do you think in my profile they succeeded in sending me into space ? Look at my profile. How many accounts do you want. I evolved to a higher being. You never know if I even had a recent promotion. Or former colleague editors(disgruntled) fed me this. I have friends too you know. That will leave you thinking. Ok.Ok.Ok. I'm going to throw you another bone. Inside Forum. Adult. Female Senior Editor asks if this site belongs to Adult or Business FISHING Male Senior Editor says Business but not sure. Meta says I have to check. I say in less than a minute its ADULT.

Have a nice day. (Qoute from Angela45)

[Richie_Ni]

Originally Posted by PaulX

Don't be scared. 2 is certainly not many and won't get you in any problem with DMOZ.

Aha,I hope so

[PaulX]

Originally Posted by tantantin

Meta says I have to check. I say in less than a minute its ADULT.

Why would a meta ask you to check?
I looked at the site and for me there is no problem listing it outside Adult.

[tantantin]

Originally posted by PaulX
Why would a meta ask you to check?

Maybe HE TRUST ME ? Better than Adult Editors.

I looked at the site and for me there is no problem listing it outside Adult.

Are you saying you are better than the META who said it belongs to Adult ?

Would you like another bone in THREAD Adult Photo Gallery Guidelines ?

So How you like V7N so far ?

Have a nice day.