Web Directory AuthorityRank - Average Outbound PR

[Cornbread]

From my testing quality directories have a huge impact on Google rankings, much more that in Yahoo. After getting about 20 of the best directory links my rankings for a competitive search term went up from about 300 to about 21 in about one months time. In that month I didn't update my site much or get any other IBLs except those 20 directory links, so it's safe to say that is the primary reason for such a dramatic rise up the rankings.

[EvcRo]

So i make a page, put all related in theme PR8-10 existing links on it and sneak my link ... seems abusable and because of this i wont bet on it.

[rankland]

Whats a quality link/ serp/linkvalue /traffic/popularity this definition that everybodies using i got 5000 quality links...........WHAT ARE THEY QUALITY AT, BECAUSE A QUALITY LINK COULD BE QUALITY FOR MANY MILLIONS OF REASONS, AND KEY PHRASES, and cornbread Could you prove that you have the strongest 20 site in your web site ..... ill answer for you NO.

[chicgeek]

rankland, this is a place for civilized and structured discussion and debate.

Please put a little more thought into your posts and do not insult other members. And ALL CAPS MAKE EYES GO BLEED.

[css25]

Great sharing John Scott, like always. Appreciated.
*I have to read it about 5 times before I could understand it. LOL!*

[rankland]

Originally Posted by chicgeek

rankland, this is a place for civilized and structured discussion and debate.

Please put a little more thought into your posts and do not insult other members. And ALL CAPS MAKE EYES GO BLEED.

Chigeek i was stressing a point that is fact, and hoping someone could prove me wrong , but this is not going to happen. I am not trying to be offensive to any site, but there is no 10 strongest links asociated with directories.
Maybe google favors 10 sites on link value, maybe your high in serp in many key phrases, maybe you buy alot of promotion,maybe for some unknown reason you recieve alot of traffic. These are not little thoughts this is reality, and i apoligize for the caps, but i would like people to see the truth of the situation, and become a better site.
submitting to a strong directory with no relativity in the key words is worthless, and this is the truth. Being a strong directory is promoting the directories you submit, and building your content high in the serps that you want to be assotiated with.
I will be nicer, but i definately know what im talking about......
Sorry for the last post

[Bernard]

Hi John,

I understand what your getting at with your average outbound PR metric, but I think it is a bit misleading. It's quite possible for a directory to list quality sites that are not well promoted and have low PR (especially if the directory has editors that are adding sites on their own and not relying solely on submissions).

When I look at a directory, it is fairly easy to tell if there is any editorial integrity (assuming that it is not brand spanking new and has some listings in it already). Some things I look for to gauge editorial integrity:

• Category structure - Is it well thought out or just thrown together? Is it logical and easy to browse (yes, I'm one of the few people that prefer to browse a directory than use the search feature)? Are there 1,000 listings in a category that really should be sub-divided into several sub-categories?
• What's already listed - Are the sites that are listed in the category that I think my site belongs in sites that I feel are related topically to my site? For a directory page to be considered an authority/hub, it's got to be tightly focused and comprehensive for the topic. This is why, IMO, many niche (/hobby/one page) directories perform better in SERPs than general web directories with similar categories.
• What the existing listings look like - Are the titles all the same keyword laden phrases that make it hard to distinguish one listing from another? Are the descriptions consistent in form?
• AdSense or other PPC ads mixed in with listings - Do I really need to explain this one?

Also, ! Ask !, I like what you are doing with ensuring unique descriptions for your directory. Something like that shows me (as a webmaster) that you care about your directory (and are likely to be promoting it and trying to build it into a useful resource).

[Cornbread]

Originally Posted by rankland

cornbread Could you prove that you have the strongest 20 site in your web site ..... ill answer for you NO.

I don't have to prove anything, I said they are 20 of the best, not the strongest 20. That is a big difference. In my opinion, for my web site, they are "20 of the best" and that's all that matters. There are ways to distinguish the top directories from the mediocre ones. See which ones carry the infamous "trust" or extra authority links. Go to Google and search for "Web Directories" and see which ones are ranked highly. Check the GB PR of some of the inner pages that you will be listed on. See if the web sites in the category that you are trying to get listed in are top notch sites in your area. Check domain age and see if the descriptions are well written and unique. I could go on and on, but the reality is, it is quite easy to tell which web directories are better than the others. Matter of fact I will list some of my directory listings and I will challenge anybody to tell me that these aren't some of the best in the industry, all I believe, except Yahoo.dir and Starting Point will give you permanent lifetime links:
dmoz.org
dir.yahoo.com
http://directory.v7n.com
botw.org
ewebpages.org
searchmonster.org
joeant.com
webworldindex.com
excellentguide.com
cascandra.com
starting point directory
sevenseek.com
abilogic.com
romow.com
site-sift.com
linksjuice.com
incrawler.com
apahcinc.org
umdum.com
ask-dir.com
skaffe.com
goguides.org
2yi.net
massivelinks.com
kwikgoblin.com
01webdirectory.com
emillie.net
indexzilla.com
linkopedia.com
linkverve.com

[rankland]

Originally Posted by Cornbread

I don't have to prove anything, they are the 20 strongest to me in my opinion for my web site and that's all that matters. Rankland you really need to take the time and edit your posts for grammar, spelling and punctuality, most of your posts are barely comprehensible.

Its funny you say that cornbread, but my serp tells me different... buy the way where am i going to see you in the search.

google /msn /yahoo/alta vista/ hot bot must love putting bad punctuation on the board as well is bad grammer.

You dont even want to compare sites especially in the forum it tends to make you look bad.

[rankland]

Originally Posted by Cornbread

I don't have to prove anything, I said they are 20 of the best, not the strongest 20. That is a big difference. In my opinion, for my web site, they are "20 of the best" and that's all that matters. There are ways to distinguish the top directories from the mediocre ones. See which ones carry the infamous "trust" or extra authority links. Go to Google and search for "Web Directories" and see which ones are ranked highly. Check the GB PR of some of the inner pages that you will be listed on. See if the web sites in the category that you are trying to get listed in are top notch sites in your area. Check domain age and see if the descriptions are well written and unique. I could go on and on, but the reality is, it is quite easy to tell which web directories are better than the others. Matter of fact I will list some of my directory listings and I will challenge anybody to tell me that these aren't some of the best in the industry, all I believe, except Yahoo.dir and Starting Point will give you permanent lifetime links:
dmoz.org
dir.yahoo.com
http://directory.v7n.com
botw.org
ewebpages.org
searchmonster.org
joeant.com
webworldindex.com
excellentguide.com
cascandra.com
starting point directory
sevenseek.com
abilogic.com
romow.com
site-sift.com
linksjuice.com
incrawler.com
apahcinc.org
umdum.com
ask-dir.com
skaffe.com
goguides.org
2yi.net
massivelinks.com
kwikgoblin.com
01webdirectory.com
emillie.net
indexzilla.com
linkopedia.com
linkverve.com

Nobody said these were bad links ........

what i said was they are not the best links on the board .....

maybe there the best in your eyes, but every body has different views, and this is why we talk in the forums.

[Cornbread]

Originally Posted by rankland

Its funny you say that cornbread, but my serp tells me different... buy the way where am i going to see you in the search.

google /msn /yahoo/alta vista/ hot bot must love putting bad punctuation on the board as well is bad grammer.

You dont even want to compare sites especially in the forum it tends to make you look bad.

I have no idea what you are even talking about. Compare sites? What sites? with whom? why? Rankland I don't even know who you are anymore.

[rankland]

Originally Posted by Cornbread

I have no idea what you are even talking about. Compare sites? What sites? with whom? why? Rankland I don't even know who you are anymore.

For one cornbread you never new me to start with...#2 your nit picking with v7n, aviva directory over anual paids gives me a head ache #3 If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

I had no problems with you or anyone else for that matter.

I except my directory as a full time job, and sometimes in a full time job it gets hard to breath.

would you like me to say your directories are the best for me....Im not going to, but i will say you chose a few very good ones on your list.

As far as the #1 serp sites in web directory searches are concerned ...There are more directory key words other than web directory on the board.

If i was only trying to sell my link to directories it would be a great place to be, but the problem is not that many web directories pay for links.

[Cornbread]

Originally Posted by rankland

For one cornbread you never new me to start with...#2 your nit picking with v7n, aviva directory over anual paids gives me a head ache #3 If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

I had no problems with you or anyone else for that matter.

I except my directory as a full time job, and sometimes in a full time job it gets hard to breath.

would you like me to say your directories are the best for me....Im not going to, but i will say you chose a few very good ones on your list.

As far as the #1 serp sites in web directory searches are concerned ...There are more directory key words other than web directory on the board.

If i was only trying to sell my link to directories it would be a great place to be, but the problem is not that many web directories pay for links.

Ranki don't be sour,
* I wasn't nit picking, I simply agreed with John Scott in his post stating that annual directory listings are from greedy directory owners. His post was legendary link bait, Aviva got mad and posted a stinging rebuttal, then Mr Scott started tap dancing, I thought it was hilarious.

*Try agian Ranki, use 4 or 5 of the most frequent key words/phrases in a Google search and you will come up some of the same directories over and over. It's really not rocket science.

* you proved my point, not true, most of the top web directories do pay for links in the other top directories. Go to a few of the directories on my list and you will see most have a section for web directories, and low and behold, there you will see again the top directories surfacing again over and over.

*Rankland your last post was much better written, good job but the double spacing between lines has to go.

[! Ask !]

At Ask Directory i have a mod installed that gives you the quantity of sites listed in each PR level.

PR10 ( 12) PR9 ( 27) PR8 ( 81) PR7 ( 140) PR6 ( 153) PR5 ( 176)
PR4 ( 117) PR3 ( 37) PR2 ( 15) PR1 ( 4) PR0 ( 26)

i would love to see this functionality in all directories it really helps the submitter to get a quick view on the quality of listed sites.

[Cornbread]

Originally Posted by ! Ask !

At Ask Directory i have a mod installed that gives you the quantity of sites listed in each PR level.

PR10 ( 12) PR9 ( 27) PR8 ( 81) PR7 ( 140) PR6 ( 153) PR5 ( 176)
PR4 ( 117) PR3 ( 37) PR2 ( 15) PR1 ( 4) PR0 ( 26)

i would love to see this functionality in all directories it really helps the submitter to get a quick view on the quality of listed sites.

A nice example. Look around Ask Directory and you can tell it is one of the very best. They (best Directories) are easy to spot in my opinion, just like you can tell a Mercedes from a Kia even though their grill is similar. Ask.dir is a Mercedes, it is unique, I love how they make your primary key word your anchor text in your site description. Ranland.dir is a Kia and Ask.dir is a Mercedes. Just look at the home page of Rankland, in the sports category on the home page one of their top three sports listed is "airsoft". What is airsoft? Should that be on the home page? No, it's just mindlessly alphabetized, plus the sites listed in it are spammy, I am sure alot of people love this directory but I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Again, it is very easy to tell which directories are among the best in the industry.

[rankland]

Originally Posted by Cornbread

Ranki don't be sour,
* I wasn't nit picking, I simply agreed with John Scott in his post stating that annual directory listings are from greedy directory owners. His post was legendary link bait, Aviva got mad and posted a stinging rebuttal, then Mr Scott started tap dancing, I thought it was hilarious.

*Try agian Ranki, use 4 or 5 of the most frequent key words/phrases in a Google search and you will come up some of the same directories over and over. It's really not rocket science.

* you proved my point, not true, most of the top web directories do pay for links in the other top directories. Go to a few of the directories on my list and you will see most have a section for web directories, and low and behold, there you will see again the top directories surfacing again over and over.

*Rankland your last post was much better written, good job but the double spacing between lines has to go.

Regoinal web directory
regional directory
local and regional directory
local and regional
local and regional web directory
local and regional internet directory



Local business-money
regional business -money / web directory-big deal

[Bernard]

this thread

[! Ask !]

Originally Posted by Bernard

Also, ! Ask !, I like what you are doing with ensuring unique descriptions for your directory. Something like that shows me (as a webmaster) that you care about your directory (and are likely to be promoting it and trying to build it into a useful resource).

Originally Posted by Cornbread

A nice example. Look around Ask Directory and you can tell it is one of the very best. They (best Directories) are easy to spot in my opinion.

Glad to see some people appreciate the effort of quality and bringing something new to the game. As always with new approaches people tend to criticize and say why? are you doing it differently from the other 99,999% of the market, so you are wrong!
Well time will be the judge of that.

[mauiman]

Ask-Dir is indeed an excellent directory. The most thorough category descriptions I've seen and clean and orderly in every other area as well.

I think the extra care/time you've taken to build it will be rewarded as your PR continues to strengthen relative to other directories.

I'm not there with my general directory, but I'm improving it all the time ever since I acquired it a few months back. It was a free directory and super popular so I've got a mountain of links to wade through and edit or delete, as well as some serious housekeeping.

Eventually it'll be on these types of quality directory lists. I always enjoy reading these threads because I learn something new every time and it's motivating in a strange sort of way.

On another note: I was pleasantly surprised to see the list because I just happened to have selected many of them myself! I saved the list and will be checking into the others as well. I'd add DirectoryDump to the list and I'm sure there are more, but that one came to mind.

[Cornbread]

Originally Posted by mauiman

I'd add DirectoryDump to the list and I'm sure there are more, but that one came to mind.

Directory Dump is not cost effective because you have a re-occurring fee year after year. Lifetime links are the way to go.