Web Directory AuthorityRank - Average Outbound PR

[John Scott]

I think the number one factor for me when determining whether I pay to submit to a directory is the AuthorityRank. It's a John Scott Original, which I am kind enough to share with you all for the paltry sum of $100. (PayPal me the $100 after reading the post.)

Web directories, like any of pages, are subject to evaluation by Google's automated algorithms, and if a web directory wants to keep its link juice passing power, it has to pass certain tests. Linking to crap including high levels of duplicate content are good ways of losing link juice passing power.

PageRank of the web directory page is not necessary to pass link juice. I have tested this and gotten a web page ranked for a keyword that did not appear on the linked-to page, solely on the basis of a link from a PR0 web directory page.

Conversely, a web directory page with high PR, such as PR5 or PR6, that has lost it's link juice passing power cannot help improve the rankings of a linked-to web page at all.

PageRank is not the determining factor in the value of a link. Link juice is. Trust is.

In order to forecast how a page will fare in Google, I do two things. First, check the descriptions. If a lot of the descriptions are duplicate content, then the web directory probably does not have editorial integrity and Google most likely knows it.

Sample search.

The other thing to check for is the average outbound PR.

Average PR of Outbound Links can be seen by going to a category, and checking the PR of all links on that page. For example, this page:

http://directory.v7n.com/Top/Shopping/

Contains the following outbound links, with the following PR:

http://www.bizrate.com/ - PR8

http://www.edealsuk.com/ - PR4

http://www.pricegrabber.com/ - PR8

http://wwww.shopping.com/ - PR8

http://www.uksave.net/ - PR5

As you can see, this particular category has a average PR that is fairly high. V7N Directory probably has the highest average outbound PR of any web directory, because we edit the directory with quality in mind. We list authority sites which tend to have high PR.

But if a web directory has an average outbound PR less than of PR3, you might want to not submit.

Just my on the topic.

[jhnrang]

Thanks John for sharing your secret!
But I am sorry- my Payal is empty now-and C is over-billed

As you opened the Pandora's BOX-- here I go with more .....

***Does PR of outbound links with good description help the SERPs or PR of that particluar page?

***Lets say I populate my directory's pages with only authority sites as you put it--will that help me get more juice than normal sites even if I have just few backlinks from low PR pages?

Again-- I am sorry- I'll not be able to pay you

[solidghost]

Google checks out outbound PR??

Is this the same for all sites or just directories?

[John Scott]

Google checks out outbound PR??

No, I am saying that you should, because if the outbound PR is too low you can assume that the directory has no editorial integrity.

[David E]

Great post, I will definatly bear it in mind when I am reviewing submissions for my directory, I presume if a site is new but quality it is O.K. to list a PR0.

[jhnrang]

Originally Posted by David E

Great post, I will definatly bear it in mind when I am reviewing submissions for my directory, I presume if a site is new but quality it is O.K. to list a PR0.

I second your views 100%

[! Ask !]

99% of directories are nothing more than “human scraped” sites, listing exactly the descriptions that are submitted, so they have 99% duplicated content.

I have built a list of directories that have a rewrite policy of descriptions.

Offcourse I have been totally slaughtered at DP, some even went as far as calling me “Nazi” for making such a small list, it’s not my fault the list is small and I am very permissive, if I only accept 100% copyscape tested sites the list would go to 2-3.

If search engines tight the duplicated content filter a loot of pages will go supplemental or even lose cache, people don’t seen to understand this.

[an0n]

Originally Posted by ! Ask !

99% of directories are nothing more than “human scraped” sites, listing exactly the descriptions that are submitted, so they have 99% duplicated content.

I have built a list of directories that have a rewrite policy of descriptions.

Offcourse I have been totally slaughtered at DP, some even went as far as calling me “Nazi” for making such a small list, it’s not my fault the list is small and I am very permissive, if I only accept 100% copyscape tested sites the list would go to 2-3.

If search engines tight the duplicated content filter a loot of pages will go supplemental or even lose cache, people don’t seen to understand this.

So, run your copyscape on what John calls quality listings


http://directory.v7n.com/Top/Shopping/

Contains the following outbound links, with the following PR:

http://www.bizrate.com/ - PR8

http://www.edealsuk.com/ - PR4

http://www.pricegrabber.com/ - PR8

http://wwww.shopping.com/ - PR8

http://www.uksave.net/ - PR5

and see if they have content that has been duplicated, and then ! ask ! yourself (pun intended) what are you trying to say? You are better than John Scott and v7n? Are you now trying to put into question John's quality based decisions and concepts vs your own?

[BIZ-GIANT]

Hey !ask! need a hanky for those tears lol

Its all good bro take life with a grain of salt...

you know better then that lol

My Pitbulls Sleek & Biz-King are hungry for that book your writting hehehheh

hollar at me on messenger.......

[! Ask !]

Sorry An0n I didn’t understand anything about your post, I assume that is just one of your surreptitious ways to create panic and drive confusion among other poor forum readers , so I can not reply.

Biz-Giant just keep the pit bulls on a diet, I am almost finishing it LOL.

BTW Thanks to booth for bringing some life and some comedy to this forgotten thread.

[maldives]

Great post John! Thanks for sharing!

[charlesgan]

hmmm... got your logical sense.
outbound links to high PR site...might affect the site.
and another thing is the outboung website page title.
if they appear in same keyword, this help as well.

[joe-d]

Great post John! Uhmm.. Do I really have to pay you because I read your thread?? j/k!

--Joe

[an0n]

Send John some hookers and beer.

[LennyP]

Is there a tool that shows the average outbound pr or is this something that you have to check on your own?

[maldives]

Originally Posted by LennyP

Is there a tool that shows the average outbound pr or is this something that you have to check on your own?

Yet to discover any such tool. Of course iwebtool visual PR checker is an alternative.

[sizzler_chetan]

Great post there John

Very well explained..
Didnt have a check on this post earlier.

[jv16]

Originally Posted by John Scott

As you can see, this particular category has a average PR that is fairly high. V7N Directory probably has the highest average outbound PR of any web directory, because we edit the directory with quality in mind. We list authority sites which tend to have high PR.

But if a web directory has an average outbound PR less than of PR3, you might want to not submit.

I understand your point but I think the logic behind this is a bit shaky.

It comes down to the problem of understanding cause and effect - if a web directory lists high PR sites you don't know if the web directory listing causes the effect of high PR on those site, or does the high PR on those sites cause the effect of them being listed to the directory by the directory's webmaster by himself.

For example, if I would start a web directory, I would of course add many links to high PR sites to the directory by myself without. Microsoft, Adobe, Intel, Download.com, Tucows under the tech category and so on. This way my web directory would seem more valid, but it wouldn't suggest anything on my site's ability to pass any link juices.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by jv16

I understand your point but I think the logic behind this is a bit shaky.

It comes down to the problem of understanding cause and effect - if a web directory lists high PR sites you don't know if the web directory listing causes the effect of high PR on those site, or does the high PR on those sites cause the effect of them being listed to the directory by the directory's webmaster by himself.

For example, if I would start a web directory, I would of course add many links to high PR sites to the directory by myself without. Microsoft, Adobe, Intel, Download.com, Tucows under the tech category and so on. This way my web directory would seem more valid, but it wouldn't suggest anything on my site's ability to pass any link juices.

I think you are a bit beyond the realm of confused. You seem to think that I am suggesting that those sites have high PR because we have them listed in the directory. The idea is absurd. Please re-read the thread.

[jv16]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I think you are a bit beyond the realm of confused. You seem to think that I am suggesting that those sites have high PR because we have them listed in the directory.

You didn't quite understand my post, I didn't mean that those high PR sites have high PR because you list them. But your idea of average outbound PR implies that if a web directory has many links to high PR sites the web directory has a strong link power. I just don't see that very solid reasoning, because of the problem of cause and effect I wrote in my last post.

And, there's really not much point in talking about PR in the first place because only Google knows the real Page Rank of web pages. Not to even mention about any other possible link power analysis methods that Google uses, such as Trust Rank.