Rand Fishkin vs Aviva

[chicgeek]

Hey guys, just remember to keep it factual, not personal.

[mvandemar]

Originally Posted by anthonycea

Mike, I have an entire collection of YOUR METHODOLOGIES and the tactics you use to boost your ego and to attention whore out here, just like you did here in attacking Rand in a vain attempt to make a name for yourself.

Would you like me to put this collection together and publish it and wait for you to answer ??

I highly doubt you could come up with anything that is logical to justify any of your lunacy.

Yeah anthony, c'mon man, where's the love?

Do you have anything relevant to add about Rand's assessment?

-Michael

[anthonycea]

Mike, this is getting old man, you know that most of the directories out here today are not worth paying to get linked from.

How many bidding directory links have you purchased of late Mike?

The issue for you is churning this and Rand's name to raise your profile, I do understand that you do not want to address this though.

Since you want to be critical of Rand and make a collection of his statements and get him to respond to each of them specifically, I'm just wondering if turn about is fair play and if I should go back into your statements, collect them, publish them and have you respond to and justify each one as you are pressing Rand to do now.

I would like to create a traffic magnet like you do too Mike !!!

[mvandemar]

Originally Posted by anthonycea

Mike, this is getting old man, you know that most of the directories out here today are not worth paying to get linked from.

I happen to agree with you bro, and I agree with Rand on that. That part wasn't the issue.

Originally Posted by anthonycea

How many bidding directory links have you purchased of late Mike?

None, actually. I never even heard of them till this debate started. They sound gimmicky to me, but honestly I haven't looked into them.

So, real quick... while we agree most directories are in fact pure crap, do you think Aviva falls under that category?

-Michael

[anthonycea]

Have you looked into the sites that interlink with Aviva by any chance Mike ?

Incoming and outgoing ???

[mvandemar]

Originally Posted by anthonycea

Have you looked into the sites that interlink with Aviva by any chance Mike ?

Incoming and outgoing ???

No, I haven't really. I focused more on the methods Rand used, which was their Google rankings. Why?

-Michael

[anthonycea]

Well, you should always look at this factor when looking at directory networks, but I don't think it is prudent to keep this going at this point, like John Scott said, it is this guy's livelihood Mike, just like it is Rand's.

[mvandemar]

Originally Posted by anthonycea

Well, you should always look at this factor when looking at directory networks, but I don't think it is prudent to keep this going at this point, like John Scott said, it is this guy's livelihood Mike, just like it is Rand's.

Ok... so you're saying regardless of whether or not Rand was right, I should lay off because it could affect how he makes a living, right? Aviva is not my directory, it wasn't me who was harmed, so I should just let it go?

-Michael

[philski]

im a very simple Capitalist! I'm Tasmanian,, But when a directory domain named in "FRENCH" (Annuaire.com)

oKAY FOR THE DUM, like me,,
"{it spells "directory"}", in french , or what ever, And, Its a way cool Word im sure and very well targeted, and is worth 30K a pop on sedo right now, Thats US$30.000

Thats a whole months work if your a star like Mr seo Moz,, or a whole days work if a real star.,, -----like me-----

the most progressive web builders, Designers, optimizers, Flash experts, Domain Parkers, And the better Dollar per =euro, Its the best i can get,

is not in AMERICA,,

its in Europe,


fast is good, second place is,,,,,Um,,,, a place i never heard of.

the fastest hosting.. Europe,, the best flash,, Europe,, the best place to make a killing on the internet,, Australia or Europe,

"old hat" SEO is dead,

F*** mediocrity and once again,,,, School Boy,,,,,

and before a single AMERICAN webmaster jumps up..... 20-80..... Just so you all know the score

[sitetutor]

nice interview here http://www.dirsensei.com/blog/2007/0...nsei-and-more/

[mvandemar]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

nice interview here http://www.dirsensei.com/blog/2007/0...nsei-and-more/

Well, the problem with that particular interview is that the person being interviewed can longer really be considered worth listening too. The amount of deception and weasel factor alone in his personality pretty much even blows past that of most politicians. Sad, but true.

-Michael

[John]

Originally Posted by mvandemar

Well, the problem with that particular interview is that the person being interviewed can longer really be considered worth listening too. The amount of deception and weasel factor alone in his personality pretty much even blows past that of most politicians. Sad, but true.

-Michael

The interviewer is also well endowed in the weasel department. He has made some scathing posts against Fishkin here and in other places. Now they are best buddies because Fishkin has given Dirsensei a good review. I think it is a match made in weasel heaven.

[tantantin]

Originally Posted by John

The interviewer is also well endowed in the weasel department. He has made some scathing posts against Fishkin here and in other places. Now they are best buddies because Fishkin has given Dirsensei a good review. I think it is a match made in weasel heaven.

You can't really have a picnic without ants. LMAO !!

[sitetutor]

Originally Posted by mvandemar

Well, the problem with that particular interview is that the person being interviewed can longer really be considered worth listening too. The amount of deception and weasel factor alone in his personality pretty much even blows past that of most politicians. Sad, but true.

-Michael

Whether or not you like it, Rand is and will be one of the keyplayers in SEO. Looking at posts of his from a month ago, he has definitely been more of a politician/businessman/poster boy for his corporation rather than an SEO. I like how he goes back to the basics and addresses SEO related issues. Needless to say, I have paid no mind to where he addressed pagestrength, a tool I believe has done more damage than good whether it's paid or free.

[mvandemar]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

Whether or not you like it, Rand is and will be one of the keyplayers in SEO. Looking at posts of his from a month ago, he has definitely been more of a politician/businessman/poster boy for his corporation rather than an SEO. I like how he goes back to the basics and addresses SEO related issues. Needless to say, I have paid no mind to where he addressed pagestrength, a tool I believe has done more damage than good whether it's paid or free.

See, the point is he has never been more than a showpiece. The fact that most people seem to be missing here is that, to put it simply, Rand just ain't all that bright. It doesn't take rocket science to do this, yet still he falls short of the median level of competence.

He's a mediocre seo at best, who is good at marketing himself and has a somewhat decent team behind him. That's about it. He's been coasting on rep for quite some time now.

-Michael

[tantantin]

Originally Posted by mvandemar

See, the point is he has never been more than a showpiece.

Everyone or mostly is showboating theres no difference than anyone else. It just seems that Rand figured out earlier something that may be considered a nice topic to discuss.

Originally Posted by mvandemar

The fact that most people seem to be missing here is that, to put it simply, Rand just ain't all that bright.

You may be right but it surely tops than most.

Originally Posted by mvandemar

It doesn't take rocket science to do this, yet still he falls short of the median level of competence.

Originally Posted by mvandemar

I took me a while to see it but he's an ok guy.
He's a mediocre seo at best, who is good at marketing himself and has a somewhat decent team behind him. That's about it. He's been coasting on rep for quite some time now.

Well Rand Fishkin made it as one of the best and I hope to see more of the best there especially John Scott he deserves also to be there.

[GuyFromChicago]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

nice interview here http://www.dirsensei.com/blog/2007/0...nsei-and-more/

From that interview:

"Rand Fishkin: I’d tell John that a directory can be incredibly valuable as a link and as a website. Look at sites like Librarian’s Internet Index, the Salt Lake County Library Resource Links Directory, or the resources directory on Education World . These have a very different feel to them than many of the SEO-targeted, junk directories that you see marketed on Digitalpoint or in other SEO arenas. The quality of the sites they link to, the process for application, the staff who’s considering them, the content on the rest of the site - all of these factor contribute to how they’ll be perceived by the engines."

Out of curiosity I popped over to Education World. The first thing I noticed was list of sites on the right under sponsored links. Let's see, we have links for weightloss pills, car finance, magic tricks, hoodia, payday loans, florida vacation homes, cash advances and some other interesting links. Look like ros links as well. Not exactly "on topic" and has the same feel as many of the "seo-targeted junk directories".

Buyer beware!

[anthonycea]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

Whether or not you like it, Rand is and will be one of the keyplayers in SEO. Looking at posts of his from a month ago, he has definitely been more of a politician/businessman/poster boy for his corporation rather than an SEO. I like how he goes back to the basics and addresses SEO related issues. Needless to say, I have paid no mind to where he addressed pagestrength, a tool I believe has done more damage than good whether it's paid or free.

Looking at your posts for the last 3 years, the only thing anyone with sense could garner from them is the fact that you are a self promoting, signature spamming, signature pimping, link farm promoting clown TOOT.

You consider SEO spamming forum posts with anchor text showing what you are, a moron, one who just had his entire network of websites de-indexed from Google, yeah, you are one hell of an SEO TOOT.

Originally Posted by mvandemar

See, the point is he has never been more than a showpiece. The fact that most people seem to be missing here is that, to put it simply, Rand just ain't all that bright. It doesn't take rocket science to do this, yet still he falls short of the median level of competence.

He's a mediocre seo at best, who is good at marketing himself and has a somewhat decent team behind him. That's about it. He's been coasting on rep for quite some time now.

-Michael

No Mike, Rand is much smarter than you, you're the one who is not bright, you think you are Mr. SEO, but in fact you are a vain attention seeking forum troll with a puffed up ego, you sought the spotlight by attacking Rand and the world has witnessed this first hand.

Anyone who is "bright" would not use Mike Dammann as a reference or quote him, that alone shows your integrity level.

You want to talk about coasting on rep Mike ??

Let's talk about how you made a vain effort to ruin my reputation by giving Red systematically to all my posts after I quit an SEO forum you claimed that you were going to build into a giant if I left.

Remember, you were going to bring in 50 SEO's a day to the forum but feared the first thing they would read would be my posts !! How many members did YOU DRAW IN MIKE ??

What happened to that deal Mike ??

Instead of talking about what Rand isn't, how about we talk about what you and SiteTutor (TOOT) are Mike ???

[Cricket]

Anthony, this will be my final request that you keep personal attacks out of this community.

Members should be respectful and courteous to other members. Rudeness to other members is cause for revocation of membership privileges.

[mvandemar]

anthony, dammit, you were doing so good.

Originally Posted by anthonycea

No Mike, Rand is much smarter than you, you're the one who is not bright, you think you are Mr. SEO, but in fact you are a vain attention seeking forum troll with a puffed up ego, you sought the spotlight by attacking Rand and the world has witnessed this first hand.

Just for the record, this all started when I tried to point out to Rand the errors that he made simply in comments on his blog. I didn't blog about it myself until I realized that there was a good chance that they were acts of deception, and not actually errors at all.

Originally Posted by anthonycea

Remember, you were going to bring in 50 SEO's a day to the forum but feared the first thing they would read would be my posts !! How many members did YOU DRAW IN MIKE ??

Due to your inappropriate mannerisms, a large portion of threads and posts having to do with you and your comments had to be deleted, so I can't swear to what I said back at seor, but I think it was something along the lines of dreading to refer people to seor when they ask for advice, for fear that your rantings would be the first thing they see. I never said anything about 50 seo's a day, anthony, you know that.

-Michael