SEOMOZ/Rand Fishkin vs Web directories and My answer to them! - Page 2

jhnrang · 07-28-2007, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bobmutch

Remanean:
>>>SEOmoz 's tool is useless

You mean the Page Strength tool?

>>>His real aim is to discourage the people from buying links on quality directories!

The Page Strength tool rates quality directories high so I don't see you logic. Are you connected the "useless tool" with "aim is to discourage the people from buying links"?
http://www.avivadirectory.com/strongest-directories/

Sorry everybody for the long URL. Actually I was updating my blog-post and was in hurry

Please John or a Mod --help me shorten the URL.

@ bobmutch --
Thanks bob for your comment there and you got my reply there.

About the QUOTE here---

You say -- Page Strength tool rates quality directories high. And according to the PS tool

Aviva directory has PS of 7.5 - inside top 10 directories on the web. (FYI-- your seocompany is PS7 & SEOMOZ is PS7.5)

So why is Rand rubbishing it as having low quality? Is not his tool rates it very high? So if he says --Aviva directory has no quality-- the PS tool is nothing but a BIG CRAP/A GIMMICK. (according to your view on the PS tool). If the tool is correct --both seocompany and SEOMOZ is rubbish. ( if we consider the validity of the tool) Otherwise all --Aviva, seocompany, seomoz are sites of highest quality.

His tool rates Aviva high --so if he believes in his tool -- Aviva is one of the higest quality directories on the WEB.

Are not you or Rand being obviously too hyporcritic?

My blog post against Rands views is all about proofs-- isn't? I have opened my voice with logics and proofs --not like Rand --who posted his posts while dreaming/imagining.

bobmutch · 08-06-2007, 08:39 PM

ramanean:

>>>A directory's quality depends upon the quality of listings in it.

That is only one of many items that reflects the qualty of a directory.

>>>Aviva's list as strongest list of directories for these reasons:

I think my point in posting a link to that list was that you stated that "SEOmoz's tool is useless" and that "his real aim is to discourage the people from buying links on quality directories!"

I don't see why you would hold that the PS tool is useless and he would be trying to discourage peopel from buying links on quality directories when the PS tool rankings quality directories high.

Do you see the connection I am making?

>>>Are you going to judge a quality of site by .edu and .gov backlinks

Yes that one be one of the many items I would use.

>>>Yahoo backlinks is always unreliable as it indexes all the links unlike Google

Yahoo backlinks are the most reliable we have in that it shows all the inbound links where Google only show 0 to 5% and I think MSN may not show any.

bobmutch · 08-06-2007, 08:41 PM

jhnrang:

>>>So why is Rand rubbishing it as having low quality? Is not his tool rates it very high?

I don't think highly of Rands PS tool personally. It follows very closely to PR which is not very reliable.

>>>Are not you or Rand being obviously too hyporcritic?

I don't feel like I am being hypocritical as I don't hold Rands PS tool highly. Nor would I accuse Rand of being hypocritical just because his PS tool shows Aviva to be a highly ranked site.

>>>My blog post against Rands views is all about proofs-- isn't? I have opened my voice with logics and proofs --not like Rand --who posted his posts while dreaming/imagining.

I read you blog post and I was unimpressed. It didn't appear to me to be a work or logic and proofs. I consider making personal slurs against a persons motives to be lame and most people that do that do it because they lack the ability to deal with issues on a logical level.

bobmutch · 08-06-2007, 08:46 PM

mvandemar

<<<I posted many clear and consistent statements in my opinion.

>>>No, Bob, not really. You did post many statements, and you did get very wordy, but I would hardly equate that with posting many statements that were at the same time both "clear" and "consistent".

I have not equated posting many wordy statements with clear and consistent. I do how ever feel that my posts are clear and they are consistent. I think the best thing for you to do is to post quotes of what I have said and show where they are not consistent. It is one thing to say a persons statements are not consistent it is another to show it.

>>>Also, Bob, your habit of cherry picking what you answer is a tad bit annoying.

If you look over my posts on this and the other Rand/Aviva thread you will see that I go thought posts and comment on almost every point. So I reject your cherry picking charge and suggest you post the questions that were addressed to me that I have cherry picked by. It is one thing to say a person has done some thing it is another thing to prove it or to post support to try to prove it.

>>>So, let me ask, if I may Bob, one simple question: do you support Rand's assertion that the Aviva directory has "little to no value"?

I have stated a number of times now that I don't support that position and I have clearly stated why. If you can't find them I would be willing to take the time and find the quotes for you. (Appears to me you are not reading all the thread and are just cherry picking your way through the posts.)

mvandemar · 08-06-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bobmutch

I do how ever feel that my posts are clear and they are consistent.

See the end of my last post in the other thread.

>>>Also, Bob, your habit of cherry picking what you answer is a tad bit annoying.

If you look over my posts on this and the other Rand/Aviva thread you will see that I go thought posts and comment on almost every point. So I reject your cherry picking charge and suggest you post the questions that were addressed to me that I have cherry picked by. [/quote]

It was before you replied tonight that I had posted that, and when I first came in I made some points that you never replied to:

http://www.v7n.com/forums/web-direct...tml#post660126

They were not directed at you personally, but had you not been in the thread defending Rands methodologies then there would have been no reason to post them. In part that was my bad, I thought you had replied since then as well, but as I go back through the thread I see that is not the case.

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Originally Posted by bobmutch

>>>So, let me ask, if I may Bob, one simple question: do you support Rand's assertion that the Aviva directory has "little to no value"?

I have stated a number of times now that I don't support that position and I have clearly stated why. If you can't find them I would be willing to take the time and find the quotes for you. (Appears to me you are not reading all the thread and are just cherry picking your way through the posts.)

If you don't mind, thanks. I am reading them but did not see that bit.

-Michael

bobmutch · 08-06-2007, 09:26 PM

>>>It was before you replied tonight that I had posted that, and when I first came in I made some points that you never replied to:

Ok I can accept that.

>>>I thought you had replied since then as well, but as I go back through the thread I see that is not the case.

Not a problem we are all human : )

>>>If you don't mind, thanks. I am reading them but did not see that bit.

Let me see if I can find them.

mvandemar · 08-06-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bobmutch

Let me see if I can find them.

Found one, your first post in the thread actually:

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Originally Posted by bobmutch

Your Aviva Directory is one of the directories I put my clients in and while it may or may not have high ranking authority and its categories pages may or may not rank high for the title tag phrase -- it still provides value for the price.

I missed the bulk of that first post, my bad.

-Michael

bobmutch · 08-06-2007, 09:53 PM

Here I stated this in my first post on the Rand Fishkin vs Aviva thread.

http://www.v7n.com/forums/657316-post31.html

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While I think this is a valid point it is not my experience that having high ranking authority is needed to give value to inbound links from a site. ~40% to 60% of my $415k income last year was from link building with directories so I can say that I have experience in this area. I find that getting links from directories are not only "Google blessed" links but they are the best bang for the buck links out there.

Directories that give multiple deep links where you can put the key phrase you are targeting with out having to add your domain or company name in the anchor text works the best.

Your Aviva Directory is one of the directories I put my clients in and while it may or may not have high ranking authority and its categories pages may or may not rank high for the title tag phrase -- it still provides value for the price.