Why Most DMOZ Submissions Are Rejected

[Birdie]

Originally Posted by jeffnova

I'm comfortable that anyone reading this thread can well judge where the truth lies.

EXACTLY. They can all see how many times in this and other threads I have asked you for evidence to back up your claims and you never produced it once.

[astaqauliyah]

It seems like with my problem. I have submitted my sites at DMOZ last month, but it's not accepted untill now..I'm confuse with this one.. ;(
Anybody can help me?

[anonymously]

There are a number of threads in V7N and other forums where people are willing to cast aspersions at DMOZ and its editors but not one ever, ever producers one shred of evidence to back up what they have said. And you call us defensive? I am willing to debate when someone producers something to debate, but simply saying that "these things happen", with no evidence given, "now prove it doesn't" is a ridiculous request.

I am quite happy for people to read and judge.

[anonymously]

Originally Posted by astaqauliyah

It seems like with my problem. I have submitted my sites at DMOZ last month, but it's not accepted untill now..I'm confuse with this one.. ;(
Anybody can help me?

If you read any thread son DMOZ you will find that many people ask this question and are given the same answer.

It can take from a few hours to a few years for a site which has been submitted to DMOZ to be reviewed by an editor for possible listing in the directory.
That is because editors earn no money and do their editing for love. We cannot predict how much someone will be able to edit. Depends on how much free time I have from, say, my famil, my studying, my work and many other factors. So no one knows how much editing is going to be done. Also we do not tell editor where to edit. I can edit anywhere in the directory but where I edit depends on which category has most submissions, which category I fancy editing in and many other factors. Remember we are not a business, we are volunteers doing this job in our spare time for nothing, but often seems like our rewrds is being accused of being corrupt. Like some people collect stamps I collect and organise web sites, as a hobby.

It is also true to say that we do not have enough editors to keep up with the number of submissions on a regular basis. So some categories get left until we think they need special treatment and 'catbust' them, but who knows when that will be. Sorry if that is not the answer you wanted, but submissions are suggestions, we don't promise they will be listed or when.

Maxim is submit and forget, there is nothing you can do to speed up the process, and one day you may find you have an early Christmas present and find it listed. You will not be told if that happens neither will you be told that it has been rejected, but rejects are because they do not fit guidelines, mostly that it is not unique content, is not content rich and does fall foul of our guidelines, you can read up more if you check the guidelines.

But I tell you that it is not quite true that there is nothing you can do. You can apply to be an editor and you too can then discover how addictive this hobby is, how many submissions we get and can't easily deal with and how much flack you will get from others who want to believe that we are corrupt.
But you can also list your own site, provided you are accepted to edit in the best suited category for it and so long as you treat your competitors as you do your own. Though that is also not quite true because you have to treat your competitors better than your own site.

[jeffnova]

Birdie,

I see that you submitted your question again. You must understand that my participation in this forum is voluntary, not paid, and that there are many questions submitted within the many threads in which I participate. Your question is simply a suggestion that I may or may not consider, and I may choose to answer other questions which I identify on my own. It may take from hours to years for me to consider your question, or it may never be answered if I or another forum answerer never decide to consider it. Your question has a greater chance of being answered if it is unique and has not been asked before. I can't tell you if your question has been reviewed or rejected as it may lead you or others to generate more questions. If an answer to your question should someday appear you should treat it as a Christmas present. You appear to be obsessive about your question - Why? The status is either:
1) Waiting to be reviewed --> there is nothing more you can do and life goes on
2) A moderator has moved it to another thread--> there is nothing more you can do and life goes on
3) Its been answered --> there is nothing more you can do and life goes on
4) Its been rejected --> there is nothing more you can do and life goes on
If you think my action or inaction on your question is other than described here, produce the evidence. If you are unhappy with my service, request a refund. However most complaints are from forum participants who think their question is the bees knees but really are just submitting spammy, get-more-posts questions over and over and just whine when they don't get an answer.

[anonymously]

Very clever, so long as you understand that I feel the same way about your questions. But I guess, like spam on ODP, that won't stop you posting them.

[searchacar]

I think dmoz is full and very carefull for future. Could possible they put limit on approval.

[budalata]

...and very carefull for future.

Yes, we are

Could possible they put limit on approval.

No, no...no idea to have limit.

[Birdie]

Originally Posted by jeffnova

Birdie, I see that you submitted your question again. You must understand that my participation in this forum is voluntary, not paid, and that there are many questions submitted within the many threads in which I participate. Your question is simply a suggestion that I may or may not consider, and I may choose to answer other questions which I identify on my own. It may take from hours to years for me to consider your question, or it may never be answered if I or another forum answerer never decide to consider it. Your question has a greater chance of being answered if it is unique and has not been asked before. I can't tell you if your question has been reviewed or rejected as it may lead you or others to generate more questions. If an answer to your question should someday appear you should treat it as a Christmas present.

So in other words, you are refusing to provide any evidence that you have to back up your unsubstantiated claims....I guess that says it all about your claims. Readers can now judge you and your claims for what they are.

[anonymously]

Originally Posted by searchacar

I think dmoz is full and very carefull for future. Could possible they put limit on approval.

They approve as many as editors can get round to reviewing and listing. Only limit is the number of editors who are doing the reviewing.

I guess that says it all about your claims

Don't waste your time on op, birdie, not worth even bothering to say how much many ex-editors and webmasters who were not accepted or banned would do or say to try and tarnish ODP.

[jeffnova]

I forgot to mention, Birdie, that when you re-submit your question, it just resets you to the bottom of the pile. You don't seem to like my approach to answering questions, which is strange given that the approach is modelled on DMOZ. As you wrote to someone - "there is nothing more you can do and life goes on". Do you not subscribe to your own advice? I wonder if perhaps you can learn to be less critical and condescending when people bring up what they believe are real issues and problems with DMOZ?

[Birdie]

Why don't you just come out and finally admit that you made a claim that you are unable to substantiate....that you made it up.....

[jeffnova]

Because I didn't. Why don't you just come out and finally admit that you are in denial about real problems with the DMOZ process .... that it lacks the processes needed to protect from the abuses I cite .... that you have a vested interest in protecting it .... that your repeated demands to me and othes to "produce the evidence" is just a lame tactic to turn a deaf ear ... that it doesn't live up to the claims of what it is and what it's supposed to accomplish .... and that the countless number of people complaining about DMOZ in this and other forums can't possibly all be the idiots you claim they are?

"there is nothing more you can do and life goes on"

[Birdie]

I guess it has come time to call you a liar.

Anyone can go back and read your claims; the repeated requests for substantiation; your repeated failure and excuses for not being able to substantiate; and see you must have lied as you can not back up your claims.

and that the countless number of people complaining about DMOZ in this and other forums can't possibly all be the idiots you claim they are?

Have you not noticed that they to have not produced evidence when asked. They (and you) are just repeating a urban myth.

[jeffnova]

Birdie, the time has come to call you a bully, and what frustrates you or any bully is someone who won't back down. Throughout this board you repeatedly name-call or belittle when someone posts their frustration with DMOZ. Anyone can go back and read the repeated requests for you to demonstrate that the DMOZ process has protections built-in to prevent abuse, and instead you lamely attempt to intimidate by asking for evidence from a process you know is closed. You're fooling no one Birdie.

[scarolan]

Originally Posted by seconnection

I have dropped dmoz altogether, I know for a fact I submitted good quality content following their guidelines and still no listings. I have given up!

unfortunetly I did the same about 2 months ago..

It is just to hard to get in.

sc

[Birdie]

Originally Posted by jeffnova

Birdie, the time has come to call you a bully, and what frustrates you or any bully is someone who won't back down. Throughout this board you repeatedly name-call or belittle when someone posts their frustration with DMOZ. Anyone can go back and read the repeated requests for you to demonstrate that the DMOZ process has protections built-in to prevent abuse, and instead you lamely attempt to intimidate by asking for evidence from a process you know is closed. You're fooling no one Birdie.

The only fool here is you who has been exposed as not being truthful....I guess the time has come to stop feeding the troll.

[searchacar]

Originally Posted by budalata

Yes, we are



No, no...no idea to have limit.

Are you a dmoz editor.

[anonymously]

Budalata is a DMOZ editor.

Jeffnova the arguement is a little sterile. It goes you prove that this does exost and the reply no you prove that what you say exists.

Truth is that whilst many people assert ODP is corrupt, they still want to be listed, many willing to pay for that despite the penalty of being banned if caught. But few are ever willing to tell us how much they paid and to whom. And check on those who have been listed, suddenly ODP is the best thing since sliced bread.

Personally I don't understand the fuss. Google updates its directory, byt as far as I can see, uses little ODP material in its search results. Yes ODP gets back links, but Google blots that out. Some claim a high level of traffic others none, could that just be reflecting how good the site is? No the myth continues that ODP has a powerful influence, but I don't believe a word of it.

But hey sorry that you got chucked out from editing jeffnova, does leave a bad taste in the mouth.

[jeffnova]

Save your tears Anon, I've not "chucked out" of anything. And I don't bother to submit "proof" because my statement that many submissions are rejected because the editor does not want competitor sites to be listed is well known and proven by the statements produced by you and others in this thread. No other proof is necessary to open-minded readers, and no proof will publicly satisfy you DMOZ defenders. But thank you for admitting publicly that

"many willing to pay for that despite the penalty of being banned if caught. But few are ever willing to tell us how much they paid and to whom. "

which just proves my argument that since a financial incentive exists to want to be in DMOZ, therefore a financial incentive exists to want to keep others out of DMOZ. Since editors are allowed, by your own admission, to edit categories in which they may have a website, then they have a motivation to keep competitors out. And since they have the motivation, and the DMOZ process to prevent it is weak, it must happen. QED.