Multiple submissions to DMOZ?

I, Brian · 10-30-2003, 03:28 PM

I just checked a competitor on a certain search term - seems like they have multiple links from DMOZ.

I was under the impression that a "site" could only be submitted/accepted *once* to DMOZ - rather than multiple pages for the same site - or am I wrong?

**John Scott** · 10-30-2003, 03:30 PM

Not true. WebmasterWorld has like 21 listings in DMOZ. It's sites which don't suck up to DMOZ that are limited to one listing.

Bubo · 10-30-2003, 04:16 PM

DMOZ does have the capability within it's policy to have multiple deep linking into a site, as well as one additional entry for regional sites. The problem, unfortunately, is that the rule to judge whether your site deserves a deep link or not is completely subjective to the editor inspecting, and any of the higher level editors (I forgot their titles) can remove those deep links and even your site if they subjectively decide the site is not worth the deep linking.

John's comment comes from the fact that, while there are doubtlessly many good editors on staff, there are just as many or more bad editors that will allow personal friendships and "sucking up" (as John puts it) to affect their subjective judgement. The higher level editors are suppose to keep this in check, but there is a similiar ratio of good to bad editors there as well.

The secretive nature of these judgements, while there are a few valid reasons to support (such as avoiding harrassment), unfortunately provides a field where this type of behavior can occur.

PhilC · 11-01-2003, 01:30 PM

Some sites have hundreds of listings.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilC

Some sites have hundreds of listings.

This one has none.

PhilC · 11-01-2003, 03:05 PM

You mean www.internet-marketing-research.net or the forum section?

**John Scott** · 11-01-2003, 03:08 PM

Both.

jimnoble · 11-01-2003, 04:26 PM

Here's an RZ sort of answer.

www.internet-marketing-research.net is in a large pile awaiting revue in the Business/Marketing_and_Advertisng/Internet_Marketing/Marketing_Services.
category. It was submitted there on September/21/2003 but that might have overwritten an earlier one of course.

Sorry John, but I can't predict when it might be processed.

**John Scott** · 11-01-2003, 08:47 PM

Thanks for the imput Jim.

**John Scott** · 11-03-2003, 02:16 AM

Jim, I find it odd that DMOZ editors have so much free time to put Internet-Marketing-Research in here, but don't have time to actually list any sites which I own. Odd. Very odd.

And by the way, a lot of those sites aren't mine.

just-contractors.com was sold about a year ago, and I have nothing to do with it. Same goes for Concrete-Countertops.com and Demolition-Contractors.com.

www.quality-web-hosting.net was submitted quite a while back, but the paranoid DMOZ staff is too busy adding sites to the ex-editors categories that they don't have time to review it. DMOZ has its priorities screwed up, doesn't it?

www.suzuki-bikes.com <- If you're going to list it in the ex-editors category, why not list it in the proper category? (Hint: Screwed up priorities & paranoia.)

www.123cheapdomains.com <- How hard is it to do a whois and see that I don't own that?

4dotinfo.com <- Never heard of that one, but according to you folks I own it???

I swear Jim, how can you associate yourself with that organization? You people want to keep pretending you are a republic of the web, name one instance of my spamming the ODP. One instance. The category is there for editors who have abused the system, so name one instance of abuse.

PhilC · 11-03-2003, 02:24 AM

I wonder what the purpose of those 'ex-editor sites' pages are. Any ideas?

burgi82 · 11-03-2003, 06:10 AM

well, do these ex-editor categories give you links to all your sites? If yes, I would be happy about that! At least you got a good link. If not, then, what is the point of that category?

Bubo · 11-03-2003, 09:27 AM

burgi82, the ex-editor category is password restricted to DMOZ staff only. No spiders or non-staff members can get into it.

burgi82 · 11-03-2003, 09:59 AM

ah ok, so how do people in this forum know about which sites are listed there.
If that is also the case, then I would assume that websites of ex-editors are listed there, so that they will not be listed in the directory. That seems to be the most plausible cause to me, to be honest, but again, I have no idea.

**John Scott** · 11-03-2003, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by burgi82

ah ok, so how do people in this forum know about which sites are listed there.
If that is also the case, then I would assume that websites of ex-editors are listed there, so that they will not be listed in the directory. That seems to be the most plausible cause to me, to be honest, but again, I have no idea.

That would be about right. It's like a blacklist.

PhilC · 11-03-2003, 10:14 AM

It's not a blacklist, but it can be seen as such by some editors. There is nothing wrong with adding a site that belongs to an ex-editor, and that is listed in those pages, as long as the site merits inclusion. But some editors won't know that and will decide against adding a site that is listed in those pages, just in case they shouldn't.

I'm very curious to know why those pages exist at all. I wonder if Jim Noble will come back.

**John Scott** · 11-03-2003, 11:06 AM

Phil, DMOZ says that it isn't a blacklist. I could say that my fry-pan is art, but the truth is in the usage of it. If I use my fry pan as a cooking utensil, then it is a cooking utensil.

DMOZ uses the ex-editors list as a blacklist - that makes it a blacklist.

PhilC · 11-03-2003, 11:22 AM

You should submit your frying pan for the Turner prize

(UK people will probably understand that)

It isn't a blacklist in that editors cannot add sites that are included in those pages. They can add listed sites if the sites merit inclusion. If it were a blacklist, editors would not be allowed to add listed sites.

Fruit & Veg · 11-03-2003, 01:15 PM

You can get a listing in your most relevant category (non-regional) and then a second listing in a regional version of that category.

**John Scott** · 11-03-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit & Veg

You can get a listing in your most relevant category (non-regional) and then a second listing in a regional version of that category.

Some sites - even those a lot smaller than this one - have ten or more listings.