Why DMOZ is more important than ever - Page 6

PaulHarris · 06-16-2004, 03:02 AM

Well would you believe it -

I just found out one of my celebrities is one of dmoz's star sites....

http://dmoz.org/Arts/People/B/Bulloc...age_Galleries/

Now this leads me to a question -

is there a search you can do to see what urls from your domain are listed in dmoz?

awall19 · 06-16-2004, 04:53 AM

In the past you could type in your domain name to see if any pages from your site are listed in the Open Directory the resulting page will show. Also if you search with a / at the end it will show any of your pages which are listed in the Open Directory.

sometimes the search function is broken and sometimes it takes a bit for your stuff to get updated into the search database.

this site kinda tracks submissions free
http://www.seotie.com

PaulHarris · 06-16-2004, 04:56 AM

thanks awall

The Helper · 06-17-2004, 08:33 PM

OK I had my fireproof suit on when I came into this forum. I expected flames left and right. I re-read my post and don't see anything in there that would normally quiet a thread like this. What is the deal? I was hoping to address some bashing - get into some discussion. What's up? I am not trying to cause any trouble here but I seriously thought from the tone of this thread some of the people here had something to say - if you want to say it say it. I am ready to discuss.

The Helper · 06-17-2004, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Well would you believe it -

I just found out one of my celebrities is one of dmoz's star sites....

http://dmoz.org/Arts/People/B/Bulloc...age_Galleries/

Now this leads me to a question -

is there a search you can do to see what urls from your domain are listed in dmoz?

If your main site is not listed it is probably in a backlogged area of the directory. The subcategories are commonly edited first when an editor becomes active in an area. Going into a category with hundreds of unreviewed filled with spam and such can be demoralizing. If you got a cool site on one of your subpages that can indicate you have a high quality site. Congrats on your cool site - though it means absolutely nothing when it comes to Rankings.

The Helper · 06-17-2004, 08:47 PM

Quote:

In the past you could type in your domain name to see if any pages from your site are listed in the Open Directory the resulting page will show. Also if you search with a / at the end it will show any of your pages which are listed in the Open Directory.

sometimes the search function is broken and sometimes it takes a bit for your stuff to get updated into the search database.

It might take a little while to update but check here

http://www.whois.sc/

lists all the subdomains listed in dmoz.org. Information given - waiting for information to be received....

The Helper · 06-17-2004, 10:01 PM

The Sandra site is no longer cooled. Sorry.

awall19 · 06-17-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Helper

The Sandra site is no longer cooled. Sorry.

cool, no, wait, uncool

The Helper · 06-17-2004, 10:36 PM

Yup, my call - I am a big Sandra Bullock fan. The residing editor can override me - but the cool site is supposed to be the most definitive of all the sites in the category and I don't agree with the residing editor on this. Don't get me wrong though, the site in question is a good site just not heads and shoulders above the rest. I actually took the time to review all the sites listed in the category to make that decision, BTW, which was not a problem since she is FINE! I have no problem with the editor of the category I just do not agree with him and that is the kind of stuff that makes sites borderline. Anyone else want to go through the whole category?

Check this out

http://dmoz.org/editall.html

Those are my guidelines - close attention to the part that says

"Editalls play a vital role in the ODP as leaders and managers of content quality and champions of editorial integrity. Editall privileges are granted to experienced editors who have exhibited a solid grasp of the ODP Guidelines and excellent editorial skills in diverse areas of the directory. "

I have to uncool that site. I found sites in the category that were just as good, imho.

awall19 · 06-17-2004, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Helper

BTW, which was not a problem since she is FINE!

that sounds kinda perverted.

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Originally Posted by The Helper

...I just do not agree with him and that is the kind of stuff that makes sites borderline.

what makes what borderline? what does borderline mean?

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Originally Posted by The Helper

"Editalls ... champions of editorial integrity. "

it sounds kinda idealistic to me.

The Helper · 06-18-2004, 10:29 PM

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...I just do not agree with him and that is the kind of stuff that makes sites borderline.

what makes what borderline? what does borderline mean?

Borderline can mean a couple of things depending on the situation. If a site is borderline listable in dmoz that means it has barely enough content to be listed. If a site is borderline cool then that means other sites listed in the category are close to amount of content of other sites listed in the category which means the cool site is not head and shoulders above the rest.

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"Editalls ... champions of editorial integrity. "

it sounds kinda idealistic to me

I did not write the guidelines, I just follow them.

The Helper

cray · 06-19-2004, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Helper

OK I had my fireproof suit on when I came into this forum. I expected flames left and right. I re-read my post and don't see anything in there that would normally quiet a thread like this. What is the deal? I was hoping to address some bashing - get into some discussion. What's up? I am not trying to cause any trouble here but I seriously thought from the tone of this thread some of the people here had something to say - if you want to say it say it. I am ready to discuss.

6 pages not enough for you?! I think everyones had their say.

PaulHarris · 06-19-2004, 03:30 AM

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6 pages not enough for you?! I think everyones had their say.

Agreed

PaulHarris · 06-19-2004, 10:57 AM

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The residing editor can override me - but the cool site is supposed to be the most definitive of all the sites in the category and I don't agree with the residing editor on this. Don't get me wrong though, the site in question is a good site just not heads and shoulders above the rest.

Ok - I appreciate this information given - I discussed it with a few people and maybe you have a point - so help me out here.

I reviewed all the sites in the category too - Not a problem as I am into female celebrities (you probably gathered that)

Now the category is sandra bullock - image galleries.

What I saw from a majority of the other sites in the category is some good content - some good bio's - some good downloadable software - true enough - yahoo had a good image gallery and i'll give them there credit.

But my site has images - images of sandra bullock in this case and nothing but images of sandra bullock.

Surely thats an ideal site for what is the category

sandra bullock - image galleries?

My intention here isnt to atagonize you - its to find out what would make my site head and shoulders above the rest? For my users benefit.

When I designed the site - it was meant to be simple - no bio's, no advertising, no un-needed content, just images - in an easy to use format.

Maybe you could throw some suggestions my way?

Regards

Paul

John Scott · 06-21-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Helper

OK I had my fireproof suit on when I came into this forum. I expected flames left and right. I re-read my post and don't see anything in there that would normally quiet a thread like this. What is the deal? I was hoping to address some bashing - get into some discussion. What's up? I am not trying to cause any trouble here but I seriously thought from the tone of this thread some of the people here had something to say - if you want to say it say it. I am ready to discuss.

You ODP editors sure love those flames. We are a much more gentle, loving, and even friendly bunch here. But if you are wanting an honest opinion, I'll try to put off my natural shyness and let you into my own, demented world.

What's wrong with the ODP? It's similar to asking what's wrong with my septic tank. Nothing, if you like septic tanks, but it's full of crap.

1. Editor Rudeness and Close-Mindedness

ODP editors love to accuse people who who criticize the ODP of being scummy spammers. An ODP editor is the face of ODP. The ODP is not a domain. It is not a (troublesome and bug-riddled) script. The ODP is its editors. If the editors are rude, the ODP is rude. If the editors are arrogant arses, then the ODP is an arrogant arse.

Instead of saying that sites were rejected because they were worthless, try admitting that the editors sometimes have their heads (respective and collective) up their arses so far they couldn't tell CNN.com from a one-page affiliate link farm.

It happened to me before, with www.concrete-home.com - even though concrete-home.com is the only place on the Internet that you'll find the results of some HUD-sponsored research into ICF vs. Stick HVAC Loads.

Good sites are rejected all the time, and the assumption is always that the site is worthless unmtil proven worthwhile. It denotes a basic lack of respect aimed at website owners.

2. ODP Policy is Made in Secret

Ya, we already dealt with this and the discussion ended with an extremely ironic "sorry, but we cannot discuss ODP policy in public".

Which just kills the convo, no?

Davo · 06-30-2004, 06:43 AM

Can I just add one point to John's excellent summary.

3. ODP is a black hole. Well thought out, carefully written submissions of quality websites cross the event horizon and are never heard from again.

George King · 07-02-2004, 04:33 AM

Power corrupts.

ODP has the power grant web presence more so than most others and they close themselves off from people challenging their policy.

There is no truely reliable organisation on the Internet, profit and non profit makes no difference.

brucie · 07-25-2004, 10:25 AM

If any of you still wonder what ODP is all about, then check this

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9668
http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19499
http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19711

semji · 07-27-2004, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brucie

If any of you still wonder what ODP is all about, then check this

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9668
http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19499
http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19711

TerrelShumway · 07-30-2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ferret77

they act like they are gods gift to the intenet

They are. Both of the internet traffic gods (Google,Yahoo) have spoken.

"So let it be written. So let it be done."

In Econ 101 we learn about the law of supply and demand. What DMOZ offers is extremely valuable. There must be a "cost" (15 month wait) to reduce demand to meet supply.