What users hate most - Page 2

JamieJelly · 07-04-2006, 03:20 AM

not that file extension always determines what scripting language you are using anyway. It is easy enough to set apache to parse html files as php, or even asp.

vtechno42 · 07-05-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JamieJelly

not that file extension always determines what scripting language you are using anyway. It is easy enough to set apache to parse html files as php, or even asp.

Quick! All you PHP webmasters, configure your collective Apache's to support the ".thisissooototallynotaphpfile" extension..

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Originally Posted by gatorgritz

I hate scrolling too. It's a huge annoyance and drives me nuts. And being on dialup (yes I'm still in the stoneage) slow loading pages kill it for me. Why not give me an option of loading large items? And believe it or not, there are still quite a few people still using dialup.

I was on dialup for years. I swear, more and more webmasters are treating Dial-up users like they're still on FidoNet or something... s'bullpats. Load time is a huge complaint that I hear a lot from dial-up users. And it's something I specifically address when designing and dev'ing. Y'know, I've thought, what about a pre-load script that tests your download speed off of an 8-16k dummyfile and then uses that speed test to spit you out to the appropriate page?

IF speed > 56k THEN goto "highspeedindex.thisissooototallynotaphpfile"

JamieJelly · 07-05-2006, 09:25 AM

[/quote]Quick! All you PHP webmasters, configure your collective Apache's to support the ".thisissooototallynotaphpfile" extension..

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Not entirely sure what you are trying to get at, I was merely pointing out that it is daft to not use a website based on it's extension. Afterall, many Apache users use mod_rewrite to make their extensions appear as .html.

vangogh · 07-05-2006, 10:27 AM

spyderscripts I think you have an extremely narrow view of things. I think you've seen some bad webstites that happen to use php and now decided that all php sites must be untrustworthy.

What about asp, or jsp, or html for that matter. I've seen examples of all that lack security and originality.

There are plenty examples of sites that make good use of php as there are with any language. There are also bad examples of all languages, but blaming it on the language being used is a very narrow view of things.

vtechno42 · 07-05-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JamieJelly

Not entirely sure what you are trying to get at, I was merely pointing out that it is daft to not use a website based on it's extension. Afterall, many Apache users use mod_rewrite to make their extensions appear as .html.

Heh, I was only making a comical jab 'cause I think the whole "I won't buy from PHP-based sites" thing is a tad bit rediculous... aaaalmost flamebait with the amount of devout PHP codemonkeys there are amongst us (myself being a PHP codemonkey-in-training). Ofcourse, I understand the premise (and Spyder, I completely respect your right to your opinion on this. It's a valid point), but I don't think you can blame the language for inanely bad coding and those who would exploit it for their own illicit monitary gain. it's just all too paranoid of a view for me to have myself. As a rule, I don't really trust any security 100% no matter what website I'm on, what language it was coded in and if it requires a third party such as PayPal to handle it's merchant arm. PayPal itself has had countless instances of hackers, phishers and scammers using its services to exploit the user. And it's coded in Perl if I'm not mistaken.

Ultimately, bollocks to what a site is coded in... IMO they're all potentially exploitable no matter what checks and security functions are in place. *shrugs*

**John Scott** · 07-05-2006, 10:45 AM

Users hate being lied to. That's my #1 pet peeve.

JamieJelly · 07-05-2006, 10:50 AM

no tabindexes on form fields kinda piss me off

vtechno42 · 07-05-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JamieJelly

no tabindexes on form fields kinda piss me off

FO' REAL! That is definately pretty high on my list also.

waffles · 07-05-2006, 01:46 PM

Splash pages. Why can't I just go to your site? Are you trying to anger me? I hate them more than music.

spyderscripts · 07-05-2006, 04:22 PM

Disliking PHP sites isn't really narrow, it's just an opinion I have towards webmasters who use it. Like I said, it's not so bad if the webmaster uses a PHP script like a contact form. It's when the web site IS php where I get all aggitated.

If it's completely PHP, more often than not (maybe not on this board, but in general) the web master did nothing to make the site except for adding content to a script. To me, that's not being a webmaster.

I guess my point is this: it's fine to have a site use PHP, it's not fine to have PHP use your site!

JamieJelly · 07-06-2006, 01:33 AM

spyderscripts, do you work for Microsoft? This is the kind of crap Steve Ballmer would come out with.

spyderscripts · 07-06-2006, 07:10 AM

No but after my move in August I'll be applying for a position at Goooooogle

JamieJelly · 07-06-2006, 07:36 AM

good luck, what role you going for?

spyderscripts · 07-06-2006, 07:54 AM

primarily a programming or database technician if possible, maybe someday in 20 years from now I'll get access to work on the algorithm. hehe

JamieJelly · 07-06-2006, 09:06 AM

cool, what languages do you know?

Selena · 07-06-2006, 09:21 AM

I hate banners that hurt my eyes and that are too flashy. The right side thing i find very true, because thats what i use my right side for.

I use php for my site because I use includes, but I didn't pay someone to make the site for me, I either typed up, or used a code for all my pages. So I find your conclusion about php sites rather untrue.

waffles · 07-06-2006, 11:11 AM

I find it just out right wrong. I use PHP because of the same reason, and I have a few scripts that use it. I get the feeling he's over generalizing because of a bad experience using one site that happened to be PHP.

Anyway, I hate flash. For makign the site anyway, flash movies and games are fine. But flash designs, flash buttons, flash banners that go on and on and never stop.... I hate them all. I hate when people tell me to use flash because it's so much cooler. I hate how the visitor has to have flash on their computer to see what I've done.

I still think a bunch of those flash sites are cool and look good and everything, but that doesn't lessen my feelings.

digiweb · 07-06-2006, 11:16 AM

Most of the web runs on PHP. The majority of it. This site is run on PHP.

Look, any language that derives from C is inherently insecure, because C is not "pointer safe." Most web platforms -- PHP, ASP, ASP.Net, Java -- derive from C language. Singling out PHP as insecure is like singling out Saddam as a terrorist. It might be true, but not as it's described, and it's hardly the whole picture.

digiweb · 07-06-2006, 11:19 AM

I just saw your clarification -- I agree. I've had several new customers pop up out of the blue because they're trying to add PHP scripts to their sites.

Programming (PHP) is not markup (HTML). These customers don't know enough to be respectful of such an unforgiving environment. In my world one character being off can kill an entire web site. Amateurs should not mess with that stuff. They do, they're sorry, they call a professional.

It's astounding to me the stuff people think they're supposed to know how to do. I don't try to fix my transmission, ya know?

Still don't get why you don't use Yahoo or Bank of America.

DaveyBoy · 07-06-2006, 12:33 PM

I'm not a fan of flash-built web sites either. They can look amazing and everything but sometimes you just want to access the information, you don't wanna wait 20 seconds for a loading screen to load the transition of a floating text box then another loading screen while it loads the text into the box. For that reason alone, i dislike their use. Also, when you try to click on the 'back' button on your browser and you get taken to the previous site you visited not the previous page. Hate that.

Dunno what that person's beef is with PHP sites, if joomla, drupal et al were created in ASP, would you then hate that? Just because it's popular doesn't mean you have to hate it. Lay the blame with lazy users, not the site's technology.