Coalition against Java?

[younghistorians]

Anyone here want to help me start a Coalition Against Java on webpages? I dont mean to outright ban it, but I would like to provide a reference for the hundreds of sites that still use java based navigation, fancy java menus, and java scrollers. All of these can be done using much more standards compliant ways, like CSS or even flash.

I'm wanting to start something like this because today was the final straw. Over the course of 6 hours, my browser has failed and killed all my open programs because some smaller sites have been using Java applets for news scrollers or navigation. There are so many other ways to do what they are doing, minus the Java.

Anyone want to start something?

-YH

[seonewbee]

How about a Coalition Against Flash? I have Java turned off in my browsers.

[LazyJim]

Coalition Against Flash and Java Applets in Web Pages
...CAFAJAWP!

[Fusion]

Flash kicks ass; www.nikeid.com

[Fusion]

The exploits in JVM or whatever suck. Allow anal's like the Coolweb team to run code on your pc!

[seonewbee]

Flash is going to be replaced by SVG. Fusion do you SVG?

[younghistorians]

I could never fight flash....Flashkit.com would murder me.

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by younghistorians

I dont mean to outright ban it, but I would like to provide a reference for the hundreds of sites that still use java based navigation, fancy java menus, and java scrollers. All of these can be done using much more standards compliant ways, like CSS or even flash.

What standards do you have in mind in the case of Flash? It's a proprietary technology so of course Macromedia follows "standards". Their own.

Originally Posted by younghistorians

I'm wanting to start something like this because today was the final straw. Over the course of 6 hours, my browser has failed and killed all my open programs because some smaller sites have been using Java applets for news scrollers or navigation. There are so many other ways to do what they are doing, minus the Java.
Anyone want to start something?

-YH

I think the reason (as stated by you) for such a site is not very sound. With all due respect, why would people want to fight Java? Just because it crashed your browser 6 times? Maybe the browser was at fault? Or perhaps the script was written using MSJ++? Or you could have developped a bad cluster where JVM is installed on the HDD.

However, when you write about standards, it makes much more sense, as long as these are open standards for technologies such as such as HTML, CSS, XML etc. But then, you already have some competition - W3C, GNU, OSI and the whole Open Source community.

Oh, and you would have to start with banning MS IE and sites developped just for IE.


Back to Java; if Sun open sources Java (a viable possibility if they want to kill .Net) then your fight is futile. Java is a good technology promised, and for web sites too. If only the thing weren't so damn slow. I used to have a Java based menu on my site but threw the monster out.

[Caped Crusader]

Originally Posted by littleFella

With all due respect, why would people want to fight Java? Just because it crashed your browser 6 times? Maybe the browser was at fault?.

I have to say, I never have any issues with Java. If it caused my browser to fail, it might bother me, and I might disable it. That doesn't happen to me, though.

I used some Java on all my sites at one time, but eventually grew tired of it. Now I only use it on one site, for a slideshow presentation, and provide a link for visitors to view the site without it. I haven't experienced any problems, nor have I had any complaints.

[LazyJim]

Applets are in general a usability and accessibility hurdle.
The entertainment value of common java-applets is usually very low compared to the frustration or slight inconvenience the cause. Hence you need a very good reasn to use them, e.g. web cams, VR environments, displaying content that can't be leeched easily.

As always the problem is more to do with the bad use of the technology much more than the technology itself!