Review: Frogengine.com (new design) - Page 4

businessservicesuk · 10-21-2007, 01:28 AM

You lady can be so hurtful...lol

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by businessservicesuk

When reviewing a website I like to give constructive comments, that are totally unbiased.

First impressions: Loads slowly, always a negative, site looks good

Content: Homepage content is minimal, I prefer sites with more unique content mixed with a nice sprinkling of anchor text

Tags: Are slightly below average and not fully optimised

Navigation: Poor, the only way to navigate from the blog back to the homepage was to use the back button

Legality: You are not displaying your terms and conditions or a privacy policy.

Summary: The site gets a hesitant thumbs up, it needs a lot of work to make it user friendly, I would speak to your host about speeding up the display times. I love the way you have a forum and a blog, these are great mechanisms for adding unique content. I would consider adding social bookmarking links thought the site, click on my signature link then look at my articles, you will see what I mean.

Good luck with the site

Pete

Ok, let me butcher your very constructive critique!
It actually loads faster than what it was before, a simple logo in the middle of a blank page with some ads. I will ask mike to bug his hosting company though for sure (unless frogengine is on his own server)

You preferring more content is up to you, the design is made so people realize, this is a directory, they are to click submit, and do so. At then end of the day it boils down to 'what' the site owner is looking to achieve.

Tags are the least of our concerns.

Ah, navigation, very true, I will make sure there is a big ass link that leads back to the home page and such (note the blog itself is not 100% complete anyway)

Yeah there are no terms and conditions or a privacy policy, do we care? not really.

All in all, a great review mate, thanks, I will not however click on your sig links as i and anyone else with half a brain know what you mean by social bookmarking links

businessservicesuk · 10-21-2007, 04:37 AM

Mikey I think displaying terms and conditions are an important aspect for any business, just my opinion. If a customer was unhappy with your services what legal safety net do you have?

Regarding the social bookmarking links, I probably did not explain myself properly. There are many ways to display these links, some look very unsightly or detract away from the site main focus, the ones we use are good, in my opinion. Although I am sure the choices are vast.

Tags and other optimisation techniques should always be a concern, but implemented at the right time for you. Mind you preferably they should be implemented at the design stage. The fact they are not, is a generic problem in the web design industry.

Like I said I only offer unbiased reviews, I also understand negative comments can cause bad feeling, however when asking for a review people have to accept all comments and generally the negative ones give a site owner more food for thought than the positive ones.

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 04:45 AM

It's not my site, I just did the design and had no hand in content or optimization factors, so my reply, to an extent, was neutral.

See social bookmarking links, to me, are a waist of time, specially the over used ones I will not name. The site is a pr4 and gets a shit load of traffic as it is, so it's not like they will be of much more use, not to say that MikeD should completely ignore them just because I said so.

Yes I agree there are not many keywords in the meta tags, but let me ask you this, google dubbed it a PR4 with what's there now, right from the start, do you think adding other keywords would have that much of an effect. Although I agree, it wont do the site any harm, just wanted to clarify why I said what I did in my first reply

The blog, is there just for show really and to archive old posts. Simple as that.

Like i said, great review

Don't take my reply to the 2cents you had to say personally, i was just clarifying some points.

businessservicesuk · 10-21-2007, 06:02 AM

Hi Mikey

Regarding my tag comment - It had nothing to do with the keyword tag.

Title Tags: Has relevance in regards to SEO, this tag should be no longer than 65 characters including spaces, the tag should include a pages main keyword(s)

Description Tag: This tag is used by search engines as copy to list a site. This tag should be 2 sentences long, be well written and contain keywords without spamming.

Keyword Tag: The only search engines that read this tag are alta vista and ask, saying that it is not taken into account in the ranking process. I personally do not use a keyword tag, that said there is a use for this tag which is not commonly known, that is to simply list mispelt keywords.

Each web page is unique, to that end tags should be unique to each specific page on a website. The main keyword(s) targeted in the tags should then incorporated into the first sentence of the pages content.

I hope this explains the process I use when looking at the tags of a website, in general terms over 95% of the tags I view are poor. How much difference does it really make? I guess no one could answer that, all I will say is my own site ranks very well on google, for the very competitive term 'business services'. This not down to tags, possibly down to the fact I have a good understanding of the fundamentals of SEO, and I view every aspect as important.

Pete

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 06:39 AM

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It's not my site, I just did the design and had no hand in content or optimization factors, so my reply, to an extent, was neutral.

Like I said i'm a designer

Talking to me about tags is a waste of your time, because it does not concern me, however, I thank you for enlightening me on the fact that alta vista and ask are the only search engines that take the Keyword Tag into consideration, only thing in your informative post I did not know before.

There we go, we learn something new everyday. Hey Pete, don't deny it though, you would so make out with the frog logo i designed

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 07:04 AM

Just read that HotBot, Infoseek, Lycos and WebCrawler all take the keyword tags into consideration. Good to know.

businessservicesuk · 10-21-2007, 07:07 AM

I like the whole site especially the frog. However all sites should look for continual improvement.

It does concern me that you are not interested in optimisation as you are a designer. We outsource a lot of web design projects, however we will only work with designers who produce sites that not only look good but also contain basic optimisation features.

Michael_Goldman · 10-21-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey.

Hey Pete, don't deny it though, you would so make out with the frog logo i designed

Yay! that's one sexy froggy

~MG

eXweso · 10-21-2007, 07:12 AM

Hi man! Nice and plain design...I don't like that white line cutting the frog's head though! You can put the frog in the front

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 07:12 AM

MG, like you said before man, anyone called 'Mike' ****ing rocks

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by eXweso

Hi man! Nice and plain design...I don't like that white line cutting the frog's head though! You can put the frog in the front

The white lines would take 2 seconds to remove, but it's part of the design mate

If you notice, the frog has its whatever the hell they are called on a transparent glass plain, the white line as you put it, defines the end of that glass surface hence where the 'water' ends and his head pops out.
All for effect is all.

eXweso · 10-21-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey.

The white lines would take 2 seconds to remove, but it's part of the design mate

If you notice, the frog has its whatever the hell they are called on a transparent glass plain, the white line as you put it, defines the end of that glass surface hence where the 'water' ends and his head pops out.
All for effect is all.

Thats good then

I still like it...

businessservicesuk · 10-21-2007, 07:25 AM

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Ok, let me butcher your very constructive critique!

Mikey - You are missing the point reference website reviews, you are asking for people to pass an opinion on a site you have worked on.

People are taking time to view the site and then post their comments on this thread. You view the negative comments as your key to defend yourself. All this will do is prevent people making honest negative remarks in the future.

When listing a site for review all comments should be welcomed, then analysed and if you act on any of them well this is your choice.

The website review process is a great one, however due to the immaturity of people it can quickly turn into a bun fight.

mikey. · 10-21-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by businessservicesuk

Mikey - You are missing the point reference website reviews, you are asking for people to pass an opinion on a site you have worked on.

No I am not

Tanya · 10-21-2007, 07:35 AM

mikey it's pointless posting further, I even rep'd that guy saying good critique, he just wants to go on and on. Ignore him lol

businessservicesuk it was sitetutor that asked for the review, long before mikey. was even a member here. So stfu plz and stop trying to start something here. Mikey said, a few times before, that your critique was a good one, don't let that and the green reps get to your head, not at all healthy.

bbrock32 · 10-21-2007, 12:09 PM

Very Nice!I like the colours.Isn't the text a little small and makes it difficult to read?Everything else looks just fine.Keep up the good work!

BJC · 10-25-2007, 05:47 AM

Im getting a load of client side errors. Im viewing in IE7. Turn on debugging, show every script error etc in IE and you will see them

sitetutor · 10-25-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by businessservicesuk

Tanya I have made out with far too many frogs as it is.

We were at the beach the other day and a frog the size of a soccer ball jumped on me. Scared the f out of me, dunno what frogs in Costa Rica eat, but those fuggers are huge!

Maybe I shoulda kissed it and it would have turned into a hot chick. Or I would have caught yet another rare disease only existant in Central America.

Either way, thanks a lot for your review!

Will start working on things on Monday. Been way busy doing way too many things, but regaining my focus.

Mike